Posted on 03/08/2008 7:20:22 PM PST by rface
"...another sign that the state GOP is out of touch with Virginia's large bloc of independent-minded voters."
"It's a slap in the face to voters, saying, 'We don't trust you,' "
"It's not surprising the Republican Party doesn't trust the voters."
"Carrie Nixon, a spokeswoman for the nonpartisan voter advocacy group New Electoral Reform Alliance for Virginia, said Virginia's system of not having people register shouldn't be changed to include loyalty oaths."
It could be argued, successfully in front of an impartial judge, that to vote in the Democrat primary was in the best interest of the Republican party, and so, for one day (week, month, whatever) you swore to be loyal to the Democrats.
Or, you could swear, as I could, that given the current state of all of the candidates you are sincerely planning to vote for Hillary in the general election.
Yeah . Watch what happens if they try to disqualify those votes.
Yep, it’s been my belief that the ONLY way voter fraud will ever be addressed is if they start finding conservatives doing it.
“Half of the dead folk there would have crossed over!!!!!!!!!”
Don’t go into the light!
I know people that crossed over to vote for him to beat her so I figure they each got their share of extra votes. Too bad. Those votes for Huckabee instead, might have beat McCain. People have to vote for who they have to vote for though, I guess.
btw, IMO, I think voting for Hitlery is a big mistake....she can win, I don't think Bama can....
Hitlery is already painting herself as a moderate.....McCain can't beat a moderate, since he's one himself....but he can beat the goof ball Bama, who has so much crap to hide from....
Here’s the relevant part of the Ohio Election law about switching party affiliation and the challenges that are allowed:
3513.19 Challenges at primary elections.
(A) It is the duty of any judge of elections , whenever any judge of elections doubts that a person attempting to vote at a primary election is legally entitled to vote at that election, to challenge the right of that person to vote. The right of a person to vote at a primary election may be challenged upon the following grounds:
(1) That the person whose right to vote is challenged is not a legally qualified elector;
(2) That the person has received or has been promised some valuable reward or consideration for the person’s vote;
(3) That the person is not affiliated with or is not a member of the political party whose ballot the person desires to vote. Such party affiliation shall be determined by examining the elector’s voting record for the current year and the immediately preceding two calendar years as shown on the voter’s registration card, using the standards of affiliation specified in the seventh paragraph of section 3513.05 of the Revised Code. Division (A)(3) of this section and the seventh paragraph of section 3513.05 of the Revised Code do not prohibit a person who holds an elective office for which candidates are nominated at a party primary election from doing any of the following:
(a) If the person voted as a member of a different political party at any primary election within the current year and the immediately preceding two calendar years, being a candidate for nomination at a party primary held during the times specified in division (C)(2) of section 3513.191 of the Revised Code provided that the person complies with the requirements of that section;
(b) Circulating the person’s own petition of candidacy for party nomination in the primary election.
(B) When the right of a person to vote is challenged upon the ground set forth in division (A)(3) of this section, membership in or political affiliation with a political party shall be determined by the person’s statement, made under penalty of election falsification, that the person desires to be affiliated with and supports the principles of the political party whose primary ballot the person desires to vote.
Effective Date: 08-22-1995; 05-02-2006
This really calls for only one question to be answered - what does it mean when it says “the person desires to be affiliated with and supports the principles of the political party whose primary ballot the person desires to vote”??? Well, the principles that the Democrats support, according to their own website, are:
-Honest Leadership & Open Government,
-Real Security,
-Energy Independence,
-Economic Prosperity & Educational Excellence,
-A Healthcare System that Works for Everyone, and;
-Retirement Security
If you can support these principles and are willing to swear that you will, there is no legal reason that you shouldn’t be able to switch party affiliation.
>> Ohio voters are allowed to switch party affiliations on the day of a primary election but only if they sign a pledge vowing to support their new party - and mean it.
Amazing how voters and the politicians voted into office are held to different standards.
I forgot to add this little nugget:
“Lying on the pledge is a felony, punishable by six to 12 months in jail and a $2,500 fine.”
Sandy McNair, a Democratic member of the Cuyahoga County Board of Elections, said Friday that the manipulation of the system was troublesome.
“It’s something that concerns me, that I think needs to be looked at further,” McNair said. “This is not a structural thing by the Republican Party. If it’s a problem at all, it’s on an individual level.”
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Eben O. (Sandy) McNair
(McNair is a member of the Cuyahoga County Board of Elections)
Sandy McNair - lawyer
He is an attorney with Schwarzwald & McNair, LLP and a Democratic precinct committee person and City Leader for Brecksville.
McNair brings 25 years legal experience in labor, employment and more recently election related work
I have never been asked for a party preference when registering to vote. Just voted in which ever primary I wanted to. No hassle.
What a laugh! The only important factors in whether a person be allowed to vote or not is: citizenship and residency (it is why we register as voters!).
Telling us what party we can vote for, or who we can vote for, is patently unconstitutional. That would defeat the purpose of voting.
And it doesn’t matter whether is was a Democrat or Republican dominated legislature that passed the law, it’s unconstitutional. Hope someone has the stones to challenge it.
And how do tehy enforce this?
This sounds like a hate crime! Only certain people are guilty of hate crimes. Other people can commit them and not ever stand a chance of being prosecuted.
Just try to prove they didn’t mean it. I dare you.
Something should be done to stop this crossover voting — in both directions. It is threatening to make a mockery of our electoral system.
When one side has no contest (as with McCain now, or GWB in 2004), then it’s voters are free to manipulate the primary of the other side. That’s just not right.
What should be done? Open primaries need to end, and voters should not be allowed to switch parties during the primary season. They should only be allowed to switch parties months before the primaries start. That wouldn’t stop the problem completely, but it would certainly help.
I also love the fact that her margin was so large that the net impact of any crossovers was negligible.
Math is not their strong suit. No wonder their delegate system is so screwed up.
Office holders can violate their oath of office and do so seemingly out of spite, almost to the level that it looks like they are competing for who can violate it most often and most egregiously, trying to perfect violation of the constitution especially until these activities can qualify as a new Olympic sport.
That is what stands out for me. Us peons apparently have to abide by some almost meaningless standard, while our masters abide by nothing in this context.
Bullcrap you pledge allegence to THE FLAG not to a damn Socialist / Communist party is it any wonder that the national symbol for democrats is the JACKASS !
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