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Gov. Urges Richard Sentence Review (NM-Iraq veteran shoots car thief)
The Albuquerque Journal ^ | February 29, 2008 | T.J. Wilham And Scott Sandlin

Posted on 02/29/2008 9:33:59 AM PST by CedarDave

Gov. Bill Richardson on Thursday tossed the political hot potato of a two-year prison sentence for Marine Elton John Richard II back into the judge's lap— and said he might act if the judge doesn't.

"Governor Richardson is urging the judge in this case to re-evaluate the harsh sentence," said a statement issued late Thursday by Richardson spokesman Gilbert Gallegos. "Should he not take this step, the governor is willing to consider a request for executive clemency," the statement said.

Bernalillo County District Judge Albert "Pat" Murdoch sentenced Richard to two years in state prison last Friday for the Dec. 30, 2004, fatal shooting of Daniel Romero, who was attempting to steal Richard's Ford Bronco from in front of his house. ...

Richard pleaded no contest last October to voluntary manslaughter.

Murdoch said he will not reconsider the sentence. "I worked long and hard on the Elton Richard decision, learned everything I could learn about the facts and the law, and imposed a sentence that is fair under the circumstances," the judge said ...

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The state's self-defense law does not give people the right to chase down and kill a burglar, legal experts have said.

~~snip~~

An intense public outcry yielded over 160 calls and e-mails to the Governor's Office by midweek. Richard, a National Nuclear Security Administration courier with a Q clearance and a gun, left his house armed with a .38 revolver when he heard a noise and went to investigate what he believed was a break-in. Instead, he discovered Romero trying to steal his Bronco.

Richard first tussled with Romero, who held a mallet, in his front yard. He then chased Romero, ordering him to stop. At Paseo del Norte, about a quarter-mile from where Richard lived at the time, Richard fired a single, fatal shot.

(Excerpt) Read more at abqjournal.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: New Mexico
KEYWORDS: banglist; billrichardson; secondamendment
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To: CedarDave

With that name...hasn’t he suffered enough?


21 posted on 02/29/2008 10:09:59 AM PST by RichInOC (...William Frank Buckley, Jr., 11/24/25-2/27/08, R.I.P.)
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To: greyfoxx39

NM list PING!
Got a lively thread here.


22 posted on 02/29/2008 10:11:50 AM PST by CedarDave (Dear John, Why do you criticize Republicans and conservatives but give Obama and Hillary a pass?)
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To: CedarDave
The officer's actions were clearly illegal, but the surrounding circumstances were very different.

He didn't kill someone who was trying to break into his truck - he killed someone who had just murdered a pregnant woman and then murdered a close friend.

However, as a police officer, he was also expected to be more emotionally disciplined and professional.

Of course, Mr. Richard - as a Marine - was also used to the same expectations.

23 posted on 02/29/2008 10:19:53 AM PST by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: Emperor Palpatine
I’ll take the word of a heroic veteran.

Mr. Richard isn't disputing the fact that he killed the guy after he was already blocks away from Mr. Richard's property.

No one thinks he's lying about the facts - the question is what does the statute require in the presence of the agreed-upon facts?

24 posted on 02/29/2008 10:24:18 AM PST by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: CedarDave

I’ll pass after 4 or 5 days of every genius in the state calling into Villanuchi about this.

Have a good weekend Dave.


25 posted on 02/29/2008 10:25:26 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Glad then that we can’t get KKOB down here!!


26 posted on 02/29/2008 10:26:31 AM PST by CedarDave (Dear John, Why do you criticize Republicans and conservatives but give Obama and Hillary a pass?)
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To: CedarDave

First, the guy who shot the perp trying to steal his private property should be set free. Second, the judge should be thrown off the court and be required to pay the veteran $500.00 a month for “cruel and unusual punishment”.


27 posted on 02/29/2008 10:33:41 AM PST by caisson71
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To: muawiyah
It's necessary to track down a thief under these circumstances and detain him lest he return at a later time to kill you because you are an eye-witness.

Oh, please.

If I saw someone messing with my truck and he ran off, and then by some bizarre chance I saw him again an hour later with a police officer nearby and I said: "Officer! Arrest that man! He tried to break into my truck!" it would be purely my word against his and the would-be thief would walk away laughing.

I have never heard of someone returning to kill a witness who saw him trying to break into a car.

Even if your scenario was in any way plausible, you're still not allowed to kill someone because you believe that they might try to kill you tomorrow.

28 posted on 02/29/2008 10:33:42 AM PST by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: CedarDave

He should have just let Romero have the Ford. My experience says that that would have been worse than being shot.


29 posted on 02/29/2008 10:52:11 AM PST by Muleteam1
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To: CedarDave; 2ndDivisionVet; A knight without armor; Alexander Rubin; AmericaUnite; ...
Read the story. Take the poll. (link in post #20)
The kicker from the story: "The judge also ordered Richard to pay Romero's family $500 a month in restitution for five years."
70% say the sentence too harsh. I agree.

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30 posted on 02/29/2008 10:53:35 AM PST by dynachrome (Immigration without assimilation means the death of this nation~Captainpaintball)
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To: dynachrome
The judge also ordered Richard to pay Romero's family $500 a month in restitution for five years

Well, that's just silly.

Romero was probably sponging $500 a month off his family while he was alive.

His family probably owe Richard $30K.

31 posted on 02/29/2008 10:59:42 AM PST by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: dynachrome

Do you think 2 years in prison was enough in the Elton John Richard II case?
Too harsh, he was only protecting his property.
1692 72.1%

Too light, he should have gotten at least 6 years.
349 14.9%

About right, since a life was taken.
307 13.1%


32 posted on 02/29/2008 11:00:05 AM PST by pattty
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To: CedarDave; LegendHasIt; Rogle; leapfrog0202; Santa Fe_Conservative; DesertDreamer; ...
Just got home

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33 posted on 02/29/2008 2:18:12 PM PST by greyfoxx39 (Bill Richardson: Billions for boondoggles; Not one red cent for Jenny Craig.)
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To: wideawake

In some states you are.

Many states have a “perception” clause that says even if there’s no overt threat to your life, if you perceive one from someone, you’re justified in using deadly force.


34 posted on 02/29/2008 2:25:40 PM PST by Emperor Palpatine ("There is no civility, only politics.")
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To: CedarDave

I’d give the cop the benefit of the doubt.

I’d find it hard to convict him given the circumstances. That kind of pressure he doesn’t need.

That poor little baby. She’ll never be the same.


35 posted on 02/29/2008 2:58:58 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: wideawake

Stuff you’ve never seen continues to shock and amaze others. Over in DC they had gang-bangers assassinating witnesses to little more than pickup truck breakins.

I’d suggest you not ever visit DC. They’ll have you for lunch.


36 posted on 02/29/2008 3:01:42 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: CedarDave
I don't agree with you on this one, Dave. I think they should give Richard a medal for cleansing the earth of a scumbag criminal. Having your car stolen in ABQ is a big deal because they always take them to Mexico. Two guys from a known crime family/drug cartel in Mexico stole my son's truck last year. It was a very emotional time for them because his house had burned to the ground less than 30 days before. They stole it from the hotel they were staying in until they could find another place to live.

They put out an APB on his truck and a deputy in another city saw it and when he pulled it over and approached the truck from the driver's side they shot him, and then took off real fast leaving the deputy on the ground. They were going so fast, they didn't make the next turn, ran off into a ditch and high centered it, so they left it and took off on foot. More officers had already arrived as the deputy had called it in. They took the K-9 dogs and tracked them and caught them. The detectives told my son who they were and that he was lucky they got it back because they were heading to Mexico with it and he would never have seen it again. He had just bought it prior to them stealing it. The deputy wasn't hurt that bad and made a full recovery, but he could have died. God only knows who else they might have killed, so I have NO pity for that scumbag that was killed by Richard.

37 posted on 02/29/2008 3:05:02 PM PST by NRA2BFree ("The time is near at hand which must determine whether Americans are to be free men or slaves!")
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To: Emperor Palpatine
Many states have a “perception” clause that says even if there’s no overt threat to your life, if you perceive one from someone, you’re justified in using deadly force.

That applies only when you perceive the danger to your life to be at that present moment - not when you fear that someone may come back a day, a week, a month later to hurt you.

Again, if that was the standard, then you could kill anyone you wanted to - even if they were completely unarmed - and claim that you honestly believed that they were going to bring a deadly weapon to kill you the next day.

38 posted on 02/29/2008 4:01:22 PM PST by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: muawiyah
I’d suggest you not ever visit DC. They’ll have you for lunch.

I've been to DC plenty of times.

I grew up in Queens and Bushwick, Brooklyn.

I've worked nights in the South Bronx and lived on the South Side of Chicago for years at a stretch.

My South Bronx stint was during the Dinkins administration when NYC was setting records for random slayings.

I eat bad neighborhoods for lunch.

39 posted on 02/29/2008 4:04:20 PM PST by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: wideawake

Well, yeah, which is one of the reasons you really, really, really gotta’ behave yourself in some states.


40 posted on 02/29/2008 4:52:04 PM PST by muawiyah
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