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New Ammo Causing New Fears For Police (Sensationalism alert)
KOTV Channel 6 Tulsa ^ | 2-29-08 | Lori Fullbright

Posted on 02/29/2008 5:32:07 AM PST by OKSooner

A safety alert put out by the Atlanta Police Department's homeland security unit, warns officers to be extra careful because of the ammunition.

Brian Hill with Tulsa's U.S. Shooting Academy agreed to help test the ammunition.

The ad for the ammunition says it shoots dozens of steel darts that cause unbelievable trauma.

Police are facing a deadly new threat. It's a new type of ammunition that can penetrate a bullet-proof vest. News On 6 crime reporter Lori Fullbright found anyone can buy it.

A safety alert put out by the Atlanta Police Department's homeland security unit, warns officers to be extra careful because of the ammunition.

Brian Hill with Tulsa's U.S. Shooting Academy agreed to help test the ammunition.

The academy teaches everything from basic self-defense to highly specialized weapons training to citizens, police officers and the military.

A police vest was put on a dummy and Hill took a couple of shots.

It could be seen that the vest was penetrated all the way through.

The ad for the ammunition says it shoots dozens of steel darts that cause unbelievable trauma.

Hill says NATO would not allow the military to use something like this, because although it can kill, it's intended to maim. He says to get self-protection, there are much better choices.

"If stopping an intruder in your home is your goal, this isn't the first or second ammo you should choose, its way down the list," said Hill.

The results were shown to tactical expert Sergeant Luke Sherman with the Tulsa Police Department.

Sergeant Sherman says officers worry more about seeing a gun than what ammunition is inside, but it's still hard to understand, marketing something that penetrates a vest.

"Millions of Americans have firearms and are always experimenting with new things. Maybe it was somebody's idea to market something that will be neat down the road, but, to me, it's not," said Sergeant Sherman.

One of the shells contains a dozen steel darts, just as advertised.

Hill shot the vest with a .40-caliber firearm. The bullet did not penetrate the 15-year-old vest.

The ammunition is legal, it's just a reminder the dangerous new threats police officers constantly face.

One sergeant recently briefed his squad on this new ammunition, just to make them aware it exists.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: ammo; banglist; leo; sensationalism
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To: wtc911
What did you do when your country was attacked, I mean besides sit on the couch with one hand on the remote and the other on your best friend?

And WHAT does this have to do with the fact that police work is not particularly dangerous? This the best you can come up with, a total non-sequitor and a personal attack?

Tell me are you related to Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackass? Because you have their rhetoric down pat. Or do you just come off as a professional victim because you're an ass? Or is it that you play the victim card because there's nothing else to you? Here let me play mine. Where were you on Jan 31 1968? You probably will have to look up the significance of that date.

61 posted on 02/29/2008 8:28:19 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: G.Mason

#1 Buck is better


62 posted on 02/29/2008 8:34:06 AM PST by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: P8riot
You are technically correct.

I assume you got my drift.

63 posted on 02/29/2008 8:47:22 AM PST by G.Mason (And what is intelligence if not the craft of out-thinking our adversaries?)
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To: from occupied ga

Replied to your cheap shot about my freepname, didn’t I? As for where you were...your lack of answer answers...have a nice life.


64 posted on 02/29/2008 8:47:26 AM PST by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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To: wtc911

whatever


65 posted on 02/29/2008 8:49:19 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: 11bravo wolfhoundf

My reply was to the georgia nutcase. You were included only because it was to you that she addressed the slap at my freeper name. Please accept my apology if you were offended.


66 posted on 02/29/2008 8:50:16 AM PST by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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To: OKSooner

why are the police of heavily democrat areas always afraid of law abiding citizens?

You would think the police are in a locked down bunker with 100% of the citizens participating in a seige.


67 posted on 02/29/2008 8:52:25 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: from occupied ga

Don’t forget fighter pilot. My life insurance was double the rate for anyone else. :)


68 posted on 02/29/2008 8:56:18 AM PST by DaveArk
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To: wtc911

I will do more than accept your apology. I will ask you to forgive me for being too dumb to understand how this forum works. It is hard to see our hearts and body language as we post here.

You Sir, have my utmost respect. Hopefully I will learn how to present myself in a proper manner in do time.

Once again, please forgive me.

No need towaste time to my response. I feel you are a person of integrity.


69 posted on 02/29/2008 8:59:45 AM PST by 11bravo wolfhoundf ( "Duty is ours; results are God's." John Quincy Adams)
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To: DaveArk
Don’t forget fighter pilot. My life insurance was double the rate for anyone else. :)

No doubt!! I was only listing civilian stuff that I've looked up in the past from the US department of labor statistics

70 posted on 02/29/2008 9:03:22 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: from occupied ga

How about the law students who stopped a college shooting spree with their own guns.

These police fear ALL citizens. They have the wrong attitude. They are Police vs the Public. They should be honest citizens with police vs the criminals.


71 posted on 02/29/2008 9:08:13 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: longtermmemmory
How about the law students who stopped a college shooting spree with their own guns.

I forgot about that one, but wasn't there also a principal who had to go to his car and get a gun who also stopped some kid from shooting up a school?

72 posted on 02/29/2008 9:12:04 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: OKSooner

I’ll bet the next scare-you-to-death thread will be about bullet proof hoodies.


73 posted on 02/29/2008 9:16:41 AM PST by Dionysius (Jingoism is no vice.)
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To: Dionysius
Check this out:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1978339/posts

74 posted on 02/29/2008 9:21:22 AM PST by OKSooner
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To: wtc911

I remember this as well, and I also remember thinking how stupid these cops were that ran down to the gun shop and picked up a couple of AR-15’s and shotguns. All they needed to do was get (1) .22-250 with a decent scope on it and put the crosshairs between the bank robbers eyes and pull the trigger. I believe both of these guys were just wearing ski masks.


75 posted on 02/29/2008 9:23:31 AM PST by rednesss (Fred Thompson - 2008)
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To: E.Allen

Isn’t there already a law against flechettes?


76 posted on 02/29/2008 9:41:30 AM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: Hoof Hearted
The US Army looked at this kind of ammo in the post WWII period. Ammo was tested, but in the end the 5.56x 45 was selected for the same reason - low recoil, low weight.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flechette

The 5.7 x 28 in military issue will do this as will old Russian ammo (steel penetrator)

My sister is a police officer - she wears her vest, but is more worried about bad drivers than creeps with “cop killer” magic bullets......

77 posted on 02/29/2008 9:41:47 AM PST by ASOC (Tagline free for months and still going (Oh, wait........))
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To: JimC214
Don’t you just love the anti New York bias in here.

That would be because NYC sucks. And an anti-NY bias is an indicator of sanity.

78 posted on 02/29/2008 9:42:51 AM PST by Centurion2000 (su - | chown -740 us ./base | kill -9 | cd / | rm -r)
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To: G.Mason

Yep


79 posted on 02/29/2008 9:48:11 AM PST by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: rednesss

Ever been shot at? Clear, precise thinking doesn’t always accompany the experience.


80 posted on 02/29/2008 10:32:19 AM PST by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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