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Will the "Willie Effect" Impact the Election? (McCain's Attack on Cunningham Seriously Risks Ohio)
WLW 700 ^ | 28 Feb 08 | WLW

Posted on 02/28/2008 7:00:23 AM PST by xzins

Will the "Willie Effect" Impact the Election?

Some speculate the controversy could cost McCain the White House

By 700WLW News

Thursday, February 28, 2008

( Cincinnati ) -- Some reports claim the on-going controversy involving 700 WLW talk show host Bill Cunningham (Willie Cunningham) and presidential candidate John McCain has the potential to impact the results of the 2008 election.

Ohio is a key state in the presidential election. For Republicans it is essential that they win as much support as possible in southwest Ohio to counter the strong Democratic party support in the Cleveland area.

Political Science professor Jason Johnson from Hiram College spoke to the Cincinnati Enquirer and told them John McCain needs radio talk show listeners and Willie fans to go his way, "John McCain needs those people if he has any hope of winning in November."

With other national talk show hosts like Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity rushing to Willie's defense, it widens the rift between the party's conservative base and John McCain even further, at a time when the Republican party has only recently started to solidify around the likely nominee.


TOPICS: Editorial; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: backlash; billcunningham; cunningham; husseinobama; mccain; oh2008; ohio; talkradio; wlw
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To: Looper
It hurts his cause with conservatives when he shames someone who was just saying what conservatives think and say themselves among themselves. That's how. Not really very complicated.

Just stick to the issues. Mr McCain called Obama on his idiotic statement about Al Kiada in Iraq. Obama countered with another idiotic statement and big media applauded him on his perspicacity. Yea, by all means stick to issues. Good luck with that.

281 posted on 02/28/2008 12:09:05 PM PST by DManA
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To: redinIllinois
Do you consider yourself an intellectually honest person?

I try to be, although I don't always succeed.

If so, can you point to on time in the article that McCain defended our President?

The point I was making, which is that r.o.s. characterized what McCain actually said, in terms which were clearly not supported by the words themselves.

Whether or not McCain defended the president or not, is irrelevant to that fact.

As I said: one need not agree with McCain's comments to recognize r.o.s's comments as intellectually dishonest.

282 posted on 02/28/2008 12:24:38 PM PST by r9etb
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To: webheart

No, I think that McCain is probably arrogant enough to think that he is going to win easily with the independent and moderate vote - forget the conservative vote. He knows the conservatives in the party are caring enough about our military that they are left with no choice but HIM - or so he seems to think. - The way he treated Cunningham was reprehensible. It was HIS idea that Obama’s full name was improper. If the guy had said HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON, there would have been no problem. If no one is allowed to mention the TRUTH about these peoples’ political alliances when it is common knowledge, I can only deduct that McCain has no intention of making any effort to win . . he must think it will just happen as if by magic.

I’m a bit sick of McCain.


283 posted on 02/28/2008 12:39:14 PM PST by Twinkie (Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God . . .)
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To: roses of sharon

McCain may be in for a rude awakening if he thinks liberals are going to vote for him and he doesn’t need us conservatives. Liberals will vote for REAL diehard liberals, and never for a Republican even if he is trying hard to be a liberal. I’m about to the place where I do not intend to lose any sleep over McCain since he has apparently labeled me a bigot.


284 posted on 02/28/2008 12:43:11 PM PST by Twinkie (Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God . . .)
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To: roses of sharon
Re: Post 232

Oh please, cut the drama it does not work with me.

You are given evidence that McCain was championing the surge with news releases over a year old and you are fixated on the fact that McCain criticized one of your beloved talk show hosts and disagreed on how Bush and Rumsfeld were handling the war.

Again you show the foolishness of believing that not hurting the feelings of certain individuals is much more important than doing what it takes to actually win the war.

The fact remains that McCain was right and History will judge Bush as an abysmal war leader. We are one election result from losing a war that should already have been wrapped up.

BTW, Gen Petraeus would laugh at your assertion that Bush and Rummy did not want a better plan to counter the insurgency,

Sure they wanted a "better plan". Obama wants a "better plan". So do Ron Paul, Ralph Nader and Dennis Kucinich.

A child that is going to write to Santa Claus to bring him victory in Iraq wants a "better plan".

But, which plan worked?

The plan that McCain was championing against bitter opposition from 82% of public opinion and which Rumsfeld was opposed to.

The historical record documents the fact that Rumsfeld rejected the idea of The Surge.

Deal with the historical facts and not your hero-worshipping emotions, sweety.

Four years later enter "The Surge" and the news is the upcoming rotation of Gen. David Petraeus out of Iraq to assignment as the head of U.S. forces in NATO. In Army terms, that's a plum transfer for one of the most coveted commander slots around. ..... In my estimation it's well-deserved. Both the surge and Petraeus' service as a soldier have both been misunderstood and subsumed to the larger political discourse. ... The surge has been a repudiation of Rumsfeld's own repudiation of Gen. Eric Shinseki, the former chief of staff of the Army, who put forth the proposition that 500,000 troops would be needed to get the occupation right. For his troubles and insight, Rumsfeld - who wanted no more than 150,000 troops involved - gave him the old heave-ho out of the Army.

*******

On the subject of troop size for Iraq, I have heard Gen. Zinni, who headed Central Command before the Iraq War, state that their extensive, long-standing war plans called for a large force like the one proposed by Shinseki. Rumsfeld rejected these plans and Gen. Franks went along with him.

*******

“In September [2007], Rumsfeld had rejected the idea of a surge when retired general Jack Keane, a former vice chief of staff of the Army and a member of the advisory Defense Policy Review Board, met with him and Pace.” But by December, “with Bush favoring a strategy nearly identical to Keane’s, he didn’t object.” Fairly or not the conclusion one can draw is that Rumsfeld’s attitude was: “Surge, splurge. Who cares? I’m more interested in tinkering with the Future Combat System!”

285 posted on 02/28/2008 12:47:33 PM PST by Polybius
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To: r9etb

Since we are on the same side here, I must comment that if I was trying to be dishonest I would not have posted his words and my words.

And make no mistake, we are on the same side, whether you or McCain want us or not.


286 posted on 02/28/2008 12:52:21 PM PST by roses of sharon (Who will be McCain's maverick?)
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To: xzins

Are you nuts? McCain is ahead in the polls. Florida isn’t even in play. And you want to ruin our chance for victory by nominating some anti-American like TehRon who would be absolutely steam rolled in November?


287 posted on 02/28/2008 12:57:15 PM PST by End Times Crusader (John McCain - Leadership in the fight for sensible immigration reform)
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To: roses of sharon
Since we are on the same side here, I must comment that if I was trying to be dishonest I would not have posted his words and my words.

Nevertheless, one cannot square what McCain actually said in the snippets you posted, with the way you characterized it. And one cannot read the entire interview, without realizing the selectivity of the quotes you posted and then mischaracterized.

And make no mistake, we are on the same side, whether you or McCain want us or not.

Sure, we're on the same side -- and I want my side to be intellectually respectable. Taking quotes out of context and scurrilously mischaracterizing them is one of the things that is killing the conservative movement right now. Nobody who's not already drinking the kool-aid is going to agree with what you said. You can't get to those insults from the text of the interview.

If you want to challenge what McCain said, that's great. But you've got to do it honestly.

288 posted on 02/28/2008 12:59:14 PM PST by r9etb
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To: Twinkie

It will be the moderates who determine the victor in November not liberals and not conservatives.


289 posted on 02/28/2008 1:06:25 PM PST by End Times Crusader (John McCain - Leadership in the fight for sensible immigration reform)
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To: jveritas

It does have a nice ring to it, doesn’t it?


290 posted on 02/28/2008 1:14:30 PM PST by End Times Crusader (John McCain - Leadership in the fight for sensible immigration reform)
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To: redinIllinois

I feel poked in the eye by BOTH of them, it’s just that McCain’s stick is a bit sharper.


291 posted on 02/28/2008 1:23:01 PM PST by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: End Times Crusader

Yes :)


292 posted on 02/28/2008 1:28:15 PM PST by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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To: Polybius
LOL, BDS reigns, sorry, as I said before if one is prone to believe that good men like GWB and Donald Rumsfeld, VP Cheney, Britain, Australia, Japan, the Iraqi Gov, all the Generals, and hundreds of others in two war theaters conspired to kill more troops for their own.....whatever conspiracy or sinister motive you believe, then I can’t help you.

I can all day long, or all week long post articles, transcripts from Gen Petraeus testimony (stating that Rumsfeld wanted his plan), and all the other Generals who were there, or, we can wait for History Channel to debate for years on end if a giant footprint and invasion would have worked better, if we should have shot looters, if the State Dept should have come in, the UN, or an American General should have taken charge, and a million other hindsight decisions, we could go on and on.

We shall see how President McCain runs Iraq, (after all the hard work has been done), especially if he has a “maverick” of his own, running to the MSM and the DNC to bite his ankles at every move, working with the enemy to lower support for our mission, and working to lower President McCain's poll numbers.

Of course this brilliant CIC will have to also fulfill his promise to Americans that the government will also fight "global warming", his promise that he and his government will control the weather and the earth's temperature too.

LOL, now that is really a plan and a man one can "worship", hon.

293 posted on 02/28/2008 1:34:05 PM PST by roses of sharon (Who will be McCain's maverick?)
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To: End Times Crusader

I want to let the convention know that McCain has an awful lot of opposition.


294 posted on 02/28/2008 1:45:18 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: r9etb
Sorry, I absolutely can, and sincerely too.

He agrees with the interviewer, plan and simple. He believes GWB is a human rights abuser, a polluter, has “squandered” US credibility and “world love”, he said it clear as day.

I can understand that you want to trust him, and don’t want to see or believe that he agrees with the Dims, and thinks just like them. His heart and his gut are with them.

There were a dozen ways he could answered those questions, and hundreds of ways he could have handled the press over all these years, like Rudy, Fred, or Duncan have proven for the last 8 years.

The evidence is in his words and deeds, in the past and daily.

295 posted on 02/28/2008 1:46:14 PM PST by roses of sharon (Who will be McCain's maverick?)
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To: LWalk18
So, in other words, conservatives are so upset that McCain criticized Cunningham for his speech about Obama, a man presumably they do not want to become president, that they will stay home on election day to the point where they will allow Obama to win anyway?

Succinct, clear and to the point. Good post.

296 posted on 02/28/2008 1:52:23 PM PST by TheThinker (Capitalism is the natural result of a democratic government.)
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To: xzins

So, you a four point Calvinist or a one point Arminian? ;-)


297 posted on 02/28/2008 2:03:20 PM PST by streetpreacher (Arminian by birth, Calvinist by the grace of God)
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To: streetpreacher

Depraved: yep.

Unconditional election: yep, but through the absolute indivisibily of God’s power and knowledge.

Limited Atonement: yep, see above.

Irresistible grace: yes, preveniently. nope, regeneratively.

Perseverence: yep.

I guess that’s about 3.5 out of 5. :>)


298 posted on 02/28/2008 2:23:12 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: xzins
I've never met a 3-pointer who believed in "Limited Atonement". You are a strange specimen.
299 posted on 02/28/2008 2:30:46 PM PST by streetpreacher (Arminian by birth, Calvinist by the grace of God)
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To: xzins
So now a man’s given name is “offensive” and “off limits”.

When you let the adversary define the rules of conflict, you loose. In war, in politics, and in business.
This little incident tells me that not only will McCain loose, he will loose big.

300 posted on 02/28/2008 2:33:07 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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