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Grim Anniversary: Waco Siege [28 February 1993]
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Posted on 02/28/2008 6:04:08 AM PST by yankeedame

"Waco Siege, a fifty-one-day siege by federal
agents of the Branch Davidian religious group's commune
headquarters outside Waco, Texas, in early 1993. The
siege, which began after a botched and bloody attempt on
28 February 1993 to arrest the group's leader, David
Koresh, on a weapons charge, ended in the deaths of four
federal agents and seventy-eight Branch Davidians. The
stalemate ended when U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno
ordered the use of force on April 19. Soon after federal
agents moved, fire engulfed the compound, killing
seventy-two, provoking controversy over the use of force
in dealing with dissident sects. Although some surviving
members of the sect were acquitted of manslaughter, they
received harsh sentences when convicted on lesser
charges. In August 1999, new documents surfaced
indicating that the FBI had fired three flammable tear
gas canisters during the raid on the compound. Following
a ten-month investigation, Senator John C. Danforth
released a report concluding that although federal
agents had mishandled evidence, they had neither started
the fire nor improperly employed force."

-- US History Encyclopedia: Waco Siege


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Miscellaneous; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: atf; banglist; janetreno; secondamendment; waco
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

Who were they shooting at in the back of the house on the FLIR tapes? I know a concussion device was used on the top of the storage room.


61 posted on 02/28/2008 7:45:28 AM PST by Sybeck1 (It's truly bad when your Savior in November is Judas Himself.)
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To: napscoordinator

“If I was in that building, I would have gone out and answer their questions. What were they hiding?????”

The BATfags approached the door. It opened. Several men appeared in the doorway, one holding a child. A man in the doorway asked “what are you doing? We have women and children in here.”

The BATFags opened fire on them without a word, sweeping submachine gun fire like an old TV show.

That’s why they didn’t come out, they were being shot to hell. The BATfags continued sweeping the house with automatic weapons fire for several long moments, before one, then two, the a few more slow shots came through the door from the inside.

This door was damning evidence, and it ended up in the custody of Jorge the Mexican’s Dept Public Safety, where it was promptly lost.


62 posted on 02/28/2008 7:47:10 AM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (The Republican Party must die!)
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To: Sybeck1
Has the film of the first part of the raid ever turned up? All those ATF cameras and no film?

No. The ATF had something like 7 or 8 video cameras running and later claimed that every one malfunctioned. At the same time.

Seems the govt. has a problem with it's video cameras. On April 19, then FBI had something like 28 video cameras running and also later claimed that these also malfunctioned.

63 posted on 02/28/2008 7:47:23 AM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (After six years of George W. Bush I long for the honesty and sincerity of the Clinton Administration)
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com

Don’t forget the gunfire from the helos.


64 posted on 02/28/2008 7:48:57 AM PST by Sybeck1 (It's truly bad when your Savior in November is Judas Himself.)
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To: Califreak

PROMIS

INSLAW


65 posted on 02/28/2008 7:49:13 AM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (The Republican Party must die!)
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To: Sybeck1
Who were they shooting at in the back of the house on the FLIR tapes? I know a concussion device was used on the top of the storage room.

No one. That is government disinformation designed to discredit it's critics and make everyone think the BDs were still alive at the time of the fire. The autopsies show everyone was already dead. Some for a long time.

In the second Waco film, Waco: A New Revelation, is footage of the back wall of the concrete panty. It is clearly seen that there are no pockmarks or craters which are left when a bullet strikes masonry. For mor details, see: Waco: A New Revelation

66 posted on 02/28/2008 7:53:42 AM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (After six years of George W. Bush I long for the honesty and sincerity of the Clinton Administration)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

ABC World News Tonite, with Aaron Brown and Thalia Assuras used to run raw video clips while they snuck out for coffee or whatever. I used to watch at three in the morning, because I didn’t yet have internet, and I knew the morning news was a pile of Couric.

They ran the entire unedited video of the assault. I waited through the cycle and watched it again.

I went to take a shower and get ready for work, and by the next cycle we already had the chopped for public view showing, with very red-faced and alarmed looking young news anchors, at a loss for words.

By the time I got to work, they had been turned from innocent murder victims to snarling bloodsucking monsters from Hell, and the sheeple had swallowed the hook, line, and sinker.

But the entire MSM likely knew the truth of the situation.

Beware the government/media complex.


67 posted on 02/28/2008 7:55:36 AM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (The Republican Party must die!)
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To: Sybeck1

I can not.


68 posted on 02/28/2008 7:56:16 AM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (The Republican Party must die!)
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com
This door was damning evidence, and it ended up in the custody of Jorge the Mexican’s Dept Public Safety, where it was promptly lost.

Not before it was videotaped.

I obtained a high-quality image from the video and enhanced it. The resulting image shows that all the bullets went inward. The shadows are the give-away. Door Pic

69 posted on 02/28/2008 7:56:43 AM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (After six years of George W. Bush I long for the honesty and sincerity of the Clinton Administration)
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To: Joe Brower

The stalemate ended when U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno ordered the use of force on April 19.


Interesting the date.

70 posted on 02/28/2008 7:59:59 AM PST by EdReform (The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed *NRA*JPFO*SAF*GOA*SAS*RWVA)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
That story is government disinformation...

So whoever was out behind the build was shooting into the building just for the heck of it?

71 posted on 02/28/2008 8:01:09 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com
The mass murder was planned during Bush the first’s admin, by his people.

The siege, which began after a botched and bloody attempt on 28 February 1993 to arrest the group's leader,,,

As I recall George Bush was not president on February 28, 1993.

Some of Bush's people were still employed on that date, but Clinton and Reno were fully in charge 51 days later when the mass murder occurred.

72 posted on 02/28/2008 8:01:39 AM PST by TYVets
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com
They ran the entire unedited video of the assault. I waited through the cycle and watched it again.

It's too bad you didn't have the presence of mind to tape it when you saw it. You'd probably have the only public footage of the beginning of the raid.

73 posted on 02/28/2008 8:02:19 AM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (After six years of George W. Bush I long for the honesty and sincerity of the Clinton Administration)
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com

I just tried to get more specific information as to how this is definitely linked to Waco.

You wouldn’t happen to have a link handy would you?

Not questioning you-just looking for more info.


74 posted on 02/28/2008 8:03:33 AM PST by Califreak (Hangin' with Hunter-under the bus "Dread and Circuses")
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To: TYVets
The siege, which began after a botched and bloody attempt on 28 February 1993 to arrest the group's leader,,,

The investigation began 9 months earlier while GHW Bush was still President.

75 posted on 02/28/2008 8:03:43 AM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (After six years of George W. Bush I long for the honesty and sincerity of the Clinton Administration)
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To: EdReform

See Post 23.


76 posted on 02/28/2008 8:06:18 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring
So whoever was out behind the build was shooting into the building just for the heck of it?

There was no one behind the building shooting into it. That's government disinformation. The so-called 'flashes' on the FLIR are reflections of sunlight off the broken glass.

77 posted on 02/28/2008 8:06:34 AM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (After six years of George W. Bush I long for the honesty and sincerity of the Clinton Administration)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

Why would the government say “We had guys out behind the building machine-gunning it” to cover up something else?

I didn’t get that from a government story - I got it from the FLIR video.

If you believe that sunlight reflecting off broken glass doesn’t reflect at all, then reflects suddenly in a regular pattern of flashes, then stops for a while then starts up and repeats again, they you’re exceptionally gullible.


78 posted on 02/28/2008 8:10:07 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring
...then you're exceptionally gullible.
79 posted on 02/28/2008 8:15:51 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: TYVets

The elected come and go, the bureaucracy is fairly permanent. Magaw and Horiuchi were murdering citizens at Ruby Ridge for Jorge the first.


80 posted on 02/28/2008 8:16:09 AM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (The Republican Party must die!)
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