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McCain's birthplace prompts queries about whether that rules him out (NY Slimes)
International Tribune ^ | 28 Feb 08 | Carl Hulse Published

Posted on 02/28/2008 3:40:11 AM PST by SkyPilot

WASHINGTON: The question has nagged at the parents of Americans born outside the continental United States for generations: Dare their children aspire to grow up and become president? In the case of Senator John McCain of Arizona, the issue is becoming more than a matter of parental daydreaming.

McCain's likely nomination as the Republican candidate for president and the happenstance of his birth in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936 are reviving a musty debate that has surfaced periodically since the founders first set quill to parchment and declared that only a "natural-born citizen" can hold the nation's highest office.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: canalzone; foreignborn; marines; mccain; nytimes; panama; president; seebreaking
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Good thing you kissed the NY Slimes bottom all these years John. It really did you a lot of good.


1 posted on 02/28/2008 3:40:14 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot

Born on US soil to US parents in the US military...this is ridiculous.


2 posted on 02/28/2008 3:47:21 AM PST by glennshepard (Semper Fi)
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To: SkyPilot

So...does it rule him out?


3 posted on 02/28/2008 3:47:54 AM PST by GBA ( God Bless America!)
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To: SkyPilot

Total bravo sierra. Another of Hillary’s ploys.


4 posted on 02/28/2008 3:48:34 AM PST by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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To: SkyPilot

Re Devvy

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5 posted on 02/28/2008 3:51:08 AM PST by gunnyg
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To: SkyPilot

6 posted on 02/28/2008 3:53:54 AM PST by Grampa Dave ("Ron Paul and his flaming antiwar spam monkeys can Kiss my Ass!!"- Jim Robinson, Sept, 30, 2007)
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To: SkyPilot

Crimeny, the NYT is throwing everything but the kitchen sink at Mad John, my goodness, the smear didn’t work so now they are reduced to casting doubt on his ability to be President?

Pinche’s business is bleeding money, and they choose to sink to the gutter snipe stuff? Any other business and the shareholders would revolt and throw Pinche’ Sulzberg out on his toosh....


7 posted on 02/28/2008 3:55:13 AM PST by padre35 (Conservative in Exile/ Isaiah 3.3/Cry havoc and let slip the RINOS)
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To: GBA
So...does it rule him out?

No 'only a "natural-born citizen" can hold the nation's highest office.' means there must have been no medical intervention during the candidate's birth. So if you want your baby to be President - keep records.

8 posted on 02/28/2008 3:56:10 AM PST by Oztrich Boy (Never say yer sorry, mister. It's a sign of weakness)
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To: SkyPilot

Great, so now we can get a conservative! Know its only a wish..


9 posted on 02/28/2008 3:58:04 AM PST by Sybeck1 (It's truly bad when your Savior in November is Judas Himself.)
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To: SkyPilot

Sounds like a good enough reason to call for a brokered convention. Lets take that ball and run with it.


10 posted on 02/28/2008 3:59:05 AM PST by So Circumstanced
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To: SkyPilot
What an outrageous assertion that only a flamin’ liberal would make! He was born to a military family serving his county on an overseas assignment and the only thing McCain did to become a citizen was to be born.

BTW, by daughter is in exactly the same situation, born in England while I was stationed there on U.S. Air Force duty. She has both a British birth certificate and a “Record of Birth Abroad” issued by the State Department in London.

11 posted on 02/28/2008 4:02:22 AM PST by libertylover (How does enabling Mrs. Clinton or Obama help The United States of America?)
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To: Oztrich Boy

What is an unnaturally born citizen?

This can very well be spun as anti-military. A mistake to even bring up the question IMO, especially since McCain is fresh in the news standing up against ugly politics - he’s staking a similar space as Obama, a guy who refuses to sling mud.


12 posted on 02/28/2008 4:03:34 AM PST by sbMKE
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To: SkyPilot

Nice picture. Might that be the NY Times editorial staff in his spectacles reflection?


13 posted on 02/28/2008 4:06:34 AM PST by So Circumstanced
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To: SkyPilot

Typical. This is war. The left plays by its own rules.


14 posted on 02/28/2008 4:07:31 AM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: Oztrich Boy

ha ha ha good one! LOL


15 posted on 02/28/2008 4:14:40 AM PST by buffyt (McCain can't be president, he was not born in USA! Bring ROMNEY back now!)
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What makes this even worse is that the new york times is now basically saying that any child born to a service member overseas is not a natural born citizen.

I’m guessing the only reason they would want this is to prevent the children of military members from ever being able to run for President.

And do tell me, what party affiliation are the majority of military members and their children?


16 posted on 02/28/2008 4:15:11 AM PST by gjones77
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I do think that eventually we will have to change that law SOME HOW! Like if Gov. Arnold S. had turned out to be a TRUE conservative, we could have run him as president. As it is we can’t. Maybe we need an amendment. As it is we have a Barack Hussein Obama running and that sounds pretty foreign. LOL


17 posted on 02/28/2008 4:16:23 AM PST by buffyt (McCain can't be president, he was not born in USA! Bring ROMNEY back now!)
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To: GBA
So...does it rule him out?

He is only running so it does not apply!

18 posted on 02/28/2008 4:17:09 AM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: SkyPilot

That’ll also end the Presidential aspirations of the good Senator from New York, seeing as how lizards are hatched, not ‘born’.


19 posted on 02/28/2008 4:17:30 AM PST by badgerlandjim (Hillary Clinton is to politics as Helen Thomas is to beauty.)
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NYT Pretends McCain Can’t Be President

The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.” But even this does not get specific enough. As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps.

Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are “citizens of the United States at birth:”

Anyone born inside the United States

Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person’s status as a citizen of the tribe

Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.

Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national

Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21

Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time) A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.

Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example.

20 posted on 02/28/2008 4:18:46 AM PST by TexasCajun
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