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Nascar Sprint Cup - UAW-Dodge 400 at Las Vegas Motor Speedway - Sun. March 2 - FOX 330 pm ET
Nascar.com ^ | 2/27/08

Posted on 02/27/2008 2:17:51 PM PST by NormsRevenge

Where California's second race date should be?

Vegas, Baby!!!


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: lasvegas; nascar; nikon; nrnascarthread; sprintcup
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To: glock rocks

1100


1,101 posted on 03/02/2008 7:55:00 PM PST by tubebender
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To: tubebender

We shot all the bears around here, still have a few big kitties left though.


1,102 posted on 03/02/2008 7:57:03 PM PST by SouthTexas (!)
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To: LasVegasMac; tubebender
Good shot!

Been gone all day and you come back and snatch the 1100!

1,103 posted on 03/02/2008 7:58:02 PM PST by SouthTexas (!)
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To: SouthTexas
and it wasn’t even JJ’s hauler :(
1,104 posted on 03/02/2008 8:02:26 PM PST by tubebender
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To: tubebender
This worked out pretty cool.....

My bud from work was at the staging area - only a mile or so from where we work.

The boy and I were at the track....waiting....

The bud is emailing me the location of the parade...I'm giving updates to all other fans around me....was just a lot of fun.

The #48 hauler was a "no-show" for the parade, other wise we would have clicked it...!

1,105 posted on 03/02/2008 8:09:38 PM PST by LasVegasMac (Islam: Bringing the world death and destruction for 1400 years!)
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To: af_vet_rr

just adding some drama perhaps,, sounds like it should get treated like any one else has been so far....


1,106 posted on 03/02/2008 8:10:41 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: SouthTexas
the 1100!

Ummm.....whasss dat?

Keep in mind that I'm not up to thinkin' speed after 3 days of the track, so type slow, ok?

1,107 posted on 03/02/2008 8:12:51 PM PST by LasVegasMac (Islam: Bringing the world death and destruction for 1400 years!)
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To: LasVegasMac

Ya done good, get some rest.. and Thanks for the pics and race scuttlebutt..


1,108 posted on 03/02/2008 8:12:54 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: af_vet_rr
Seems a little funny to be taking back Carl's car all the way to Charlotte if it was just the lid.

Excellent point.

I understood though the prior infractions to be a safety issue, not a performance issue.

Maybe they just wanna see whats causin' these lids to pop off? Nahhhh....

1,109 posted on 03/02/2008 8:14:07 PM PST by budman_2001
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To: LasVegasMac
I don’t think I could Multi-Task at Vegas. What were you using for eMail?
1,110 posted on 03/02/2008 8:15:23 PM PST by tubebender
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NASCAR finds ‘issue’ with 99 in post-race inspection
http://www.nascar.com/2008/news/headlines/cup/03/02/cedwards.vegas.inspection/index.html

LAS VEGAS — Carl Edwards’ Sprint Cup victory in the UAW-Dodge 400 at Las Vegas Motor Speedway will stand, but he’s likely to lose some of the driver and owner points he earned after NASCAR officials found “an issue” with his No. 99 Ford in post-race inspection late Sunday.

NASCAR spokesman Ramsey Poston said Edwards’ car did not fail post-race inspection. But inspectors did find something amiss.

“We had an issue in post-race inspection with the 99. The lid on the oil reservoir encasement, or the oil tank box, was off,” Poston said. “So we’re going to take the 99 back to the [NASCAR] Research and Development Center in Concord, N.C., and if there are any actions that need to be taken, those will be taken and announced next week.”

Earlier this season at Daytona International Speedway, NASCAR officials discovered five Nationwide Series cars to have a similar problem during post-race inspection following their season-opening race. Each of the teams eventually were docked 25 driver and 25 owner points.

Poston said the situation with Edwards’ car was not quite the same.

“It was similar. In those cases, the lids were loose,” Poston said. “The lid on the 99 was off.”

Edwards has won the past two Sprint Cup races. His victory Sunday vaulted him and the No. 99 car to the top of the driver and owner point standings. He currently has 491 driver points and is 21 ahead of Kyle Busch, who is in second with 470.

Bob Osborne, Edwards’ crew chief, said Sunday night that he would wait until after NASCAR is able to take a closer look at the car at the R&D Center before making any comments.


1,111 posted on 03/02/2008 8:17:09 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: NormsRevenge
Hmmmm.....here's a post from another board (SpeedTV) that surmises a performance advantage on this loose-lid stuff.

"The lid was still on the oil tank. The tank sits in an enclosure that has a bolt on lid on it. The "box" is open at the bottom and if the lid is off, air from beneath the car evacuates out the top of the box and creates lower pressure under the car ... more downforce."

1,112 posted on 03/02/2008 11:14:04 PM PST by budman_2001
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To: o_zarkman44
I'm a big Edwards fan too. My heart was pounding the last 3 laps or so. I was telling myself a race is not worth a heart attack!

Bummer about post race inspection. Something is wrong with those lids. Last week's car (same car?) must have been fine.

NASCAR needs to get to the bottom of it. I seriously doubt anything intentional since a team would know the car would fail inspection. Only a desperate team would go for a win knowing they would be sacrificing points in the end.

1,113 posted on 03/03/2008 2:54:18 AM PST by NEPA (Save a cow, tip a beer)
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To: SouthTexas

Oh...yeah, now they are totally totalled and I am so totally in last place with my totally lousy total. Doing slightly worse than the Hendrick team...


1,114 posted on 03/03/2008 3:57:53 AM PST by GRRRRR (2008- A Year That Will Live in Infamy...)
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To: budman_2001
It gets worse, with the lid off you get an advantage in the race.

Yahoo Sports

If only Dale Jr. had won, things would be so much easier. But he didn't. Edwards did, and now NASCAR is left to explain a few things.

First, the oil cooler lid incident.

In postrace inspection, NASCAR found the lid in Edwards' oil cooler "off." That's how it was explained. Off.

That means Edwards could have had an advantage. No oil cooler lid means more air, which could mean more speed.

There is a precedent for this. Five cars were found with the same violation following the Nationwide race at Daytona. Each received a 25-point penalty and the respective crew chiefs were suspended for six races and put on probation for the remainder of the season.

The difference here is none of those five cars won the race. Edwards did.


So when NASCAR takes Edwards' car back to its R&D center in North Carolina, what will come of it?

Well, we know the answer to this question: NASCAR will dock Edwards points, probably 100, suspend his crew chief and levy a fine.

The problem is, any penalty hints that there was some wrongdoing on the part of Edwards' crew. If that's the case, why not yank the win away from him?

Rules are rules, after all, and if you're going to penalize cheating off the track, they need to treat cheating on the track even harsher.

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Eleven days ago, NASCAR penalized Robby Gordon 100 points for an unapproved nose on his car. Before NASCAR handed down the penalty, Gordon pled his case, saying he didn't know the nose was an unapproved version, that the wrong part came from the manufacturer and that it had nearly an identical inventory number as the approved nose.

"We're being tried for a crime we didn't commit," Gordon said.

NASCAR's response: Tough luck.

"Rules are rules," NASCAR's Sprint Cup competition director John Darby said when I rehashed Gordon's explanation to him.

When Darby told me this, I understood, because even though I'm certain Gordon wasn't trying to skirt the law, NASCAR would be opening up a Pandora's box once it allowed one person to play dumb.

But let's spin this forward. From the rule above, take out the word 'tire' and replace it with words befitting Gordon's situation and here's what you get:

"If in the judgment of NASCAR officials a team made every effort to use the correct nose and circumstances beyond their control cause them to use the wrong nose, a penalty may not be assessed."

Why was Edwards allowed to skate but not Gordon?

"You're assuming it was inadvertent," NASCAR spokesman Ramsey Poston said of Gordon's explanation for the unapproved nose.

It's a valid point but one that paints NASCAR into a corner. Because later this week, if it ends up penalizing Edwards for the oil cooler lid incident, the only way NASCAR can legitimately explain not taking away the win is to assume its being off "was inadvertent."

Oh, they were so close to it all being good. If only Junior had won.

1,115 posted on 03/03/2008 4:31:52 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: af_vet_rr
If only Junior had won.

And if Jr wouldn't have spun his tires and if Matt would have gone low and if Jeff would have gone high, one of the three of them "might" have had something for Flipper in the end.

As my dear departed Mother used to say, "If a frog had wings, he wouldn't bump his butt every time he hopped." ;)

1,116 posted on 03/03/2008 5:36:46 AM PST by SouthTexas (!)
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To: GRRRRR

Sure, you’re just playing Tony Stewart’s game of laying back!


1,117 posted on 03/03/2008 5:56:06 AM PST by SouthTexas (!)
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To: af_vet_rr

I see no aerodynamic advantage of an oil cooler lid being off, or even loose. In fact, I would think it would be a disadvantage. The performance of the oil cooler is to keep oil temps down, making the engine last longer. Hotter oil loses it’s ability to lubricate, potentially causing engine failure.
A lid being off of a oil cooler could cause the oil to be hotter because the air flow is not directed through the cooler, but glances off the cooler, which is essentially a small radiator in design. That would reduce the cooling capacity. Also hotter oil reduces performance by increasing engine friction. Even one HP loss is significant.
Another note. If there had been problems with oil cooler lids at Daytona, then there would certainly been bulletins issued pointing out the issue. Knowing there would be scrutiny of oil coolers, and knowing the 99 car was a top contender, the team would have made certain all mounts would be properly in their place.
With the design of the new chassis, the oil cooler mountings are of a different design than the old car. There could be a design problem, and that is why NASCAR is taking the car back to Charlotte. I find it highly unlikely there would have been any effort on the part of the 99 team to cause part failure knowing there was a recent history of issues.

I think this is a lot of whining by the JR fans. Biffle and Kenseth were right up there in contention and could have just as easily won it if not for rainbow boy wrecking Kenseth, who led quite a few laps. Was his oil cooler lid loose?? Or are the FORDS stepping up and kicking butt???


1,118 posted on 03/03/2008 6:12:59 AM PST by o_zarkman44 (No Bull in 08!)
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To: af_vet_rr

I see no aerodynamic advantage of an oil cooler lid being off, or even loose. In fact, I would think it would be a disadvantage. The performance of the oil cooler is to keep oil temps down, making the engine last longer. Hotter oil loses it’s ability to lubricate, potentially causing engine failure.
A lid being off of a oil cooler could cause the oil to be hotter because the air flow is not directed through the cooler, but glances off the cooler, which is essentially a small radiator in design. That would reduce the cooling capacity. Also hotter oil reduces performance by increasing engine friction. Even one HP loss is significant.
Another note. If there had been problems with oil cooler lids at Daytona, then there would certainly been bulletins issued pointing out the issue. Knowing there would be scrutiny of oil coolers, and knowing the 99 car was a top contender, the team would have made certain all mounts would be properly in their place.
With the design of the new chassis, the oil cooler mountings are of a different design than the old car. There could be a design problem, and that is why NASCAR is taking the car back to Charlotte. I find it highly unlikely there would have been any effort on the part of the 99 team to cause part failure knowing there was a recent history of issues.

I think this is a lot of whining by the JR fans. Biffle and Kenseth were right up there in contention and could have just as easily won it if not for rainbow boy wrecking Kenseth, who led quite a few laps. Was his oil cooler lid loose?? Or are the FORDS stepping up and kicking butt???


1,119 posted on 03/03/2008 6:13:21 AM PST by o_zarkman44 (No Bull in 08!)
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To: o_zarkman44
Well it's not exactly what you or I would think it would be - apparently it's located inside the car, and because of the way the airflow is in regards to it, it actually gives some downforce. It's enough of a problem and gives enough of an advantage that NASCAR went after some people at Daytona for doing it. They won't take Carl's win away.

If it was as simple as you or would think it would be, NASCAR wouldn't be hauling Carl's car all the way back to Charlotte.
1,120 posted on 03/03/2008 6:41:53 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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