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Peru's "Lost City" Is a Natural Formation, Experts Rule
National Geographic News ^ | 2-25-08 | Kelly Hearn

Posted on 02/27/2008 5:08:52 AM PST by Renfield

Stone structures in Peru recently suggested to be the ruins of an ancient "lost city" were actually shaped by natural forces, not Inca stone workers, officials say.

The announcement comes from archaeologists with Peru's culture ministry, clouding the prospects of one local politician to turn the site into a tourist attraction.

On January 10, Peruvian state media reported that a stone fortress had been discovered on the heavily forested eastern slopes of the Andes Mountains (see map). .

The story quoted the local mayor as saying the structures were discovered under heavy vegetation by villagers, who dubbed the site Manco Pata.

Guillermo Torres, the mayor of nearby Kimbiri, suggested that the complex could be the lost city of Paititi, described in local legend as a citadel built by the Inca hero Inkarri after the Spanish conquest.

Weeks after the initial report of the find, experts from the Peruvian government's Cusco-based National Institute of Culture (INC) arrived at the site and issued their findings in a report on February 12.

In the four-page report, the researchers deliver what one INC official described as "alarming news": Natural chemical and physical processes, including seismic activity, created the stone blocks found at the site, causing them to "appear to be walls or surfaces made by hand," the report states.

The team found "no evidence of archaeological structures or buildings … that could suggest a human presence," it adds.

"Too Good to Be True"

Geological analysis identified the formations as sandstone, the report says.

"The stones do not show signs of wear or of intervention from the hands of men from the act of cutting stone," it states.

Scientists also found no mortar on the corners or sides of the stone blocks.

"Additionally no evidence exists that in any moment the sector in question could have been used as a stone-working site for the preparation of stone elements," it says.

The team, which notes that similar naturally occurring structures have been found in Machu Picchu, also found no construction foundation for the walls.

In January, experts interviewed by National Geographic News expressed doubts about the Paititi claim, stating that historical records put the probable location of the legendary city in another part of the Amazon.

Nonetheless, based on photographs of Manco Pata, some remained optimistic that the site would prove to be an important artifact of Inca or perhaps pre-Inca culture.

"The claims of it being such an extensive site seemed, as well, too good to be true," said Gregory Deyermenjian, a Massachusetts-based psychologist and explorer who has led expeditions to investigate the Paititi legend.

Tourism Hopes?

Days after Torres, the local mayor, announced the discovery of the find to the press, he met with INC officials, who in turn announced that Manco Pata would be declared a national heritage site.

As scientists headed to the site to determine its origins, rumors surfaced that Torres owned a local tourism company, and that villagers had known about Manco Pata for years.

Alex Lizaraso, an aide to Torres, confirmed in an interview that some locals had known of the site's existence for some years but kept its location quiet.

He also said Torres owned a small company that provides recreational space and a swimming pool to schoolchildren in a nearby town, but he did not expect to gain profits from tourism related to Manco Pata.

"Personally, I considered it an exaggeration to think the mayor would promote Manco Pata for personal ends," Lizaraso said.

Torres's office did not comment on the new INC report.


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Stone formations in the Peruvian Andes that were recently claimed to be the possible ruins of the ancient city of Paititi are now thought to be naturally occurring phenomena, officials say.

Photographs courtesy Peru Instituto Nacional de Cultura

1 posted on 02/27/2008 5:08:53 AM PST by Renfield
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To: blam; SunkenCiv

GGG ping.


2 posted on 02/27/2008 5:09:19 AM PST by Renfield (Turning apples into venison since 1999!)
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To: Renfield
Naturally occurring? With straight lines and geometric forms, interlocking?

What fools these "experts" are.

3 posted on 02/27/2008 5:12:17 AM PST by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: Renfield

The bottom photo doesn’t look natural to me.


4 posted on 02/27/2008 5:13:12 AM PST by dljordan
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To: Renfield

OK - I will bite, if they can tell me the specific “natural” geological forces that result in said formations. A generic “natural forces” answer won’t cut it.

Seriously - I don’t have a problem if they can specifically explain the forces involved, possibly with additional examples from other areas to support it.

Or is this another “evolution” theory - just with non-biological subjects?


5 posted on 02/27/2008 5:14:58 AM PST by TheBattman (LORD God, please give us a Christian Patriot with a backbone for President in 08, Amen.)
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To: Renfield

I find this very difficult to believe.


6 posted on 02/27/2008 5:16:12 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: theDentist
Looks like they're going to try to stop treasure hunters after the gate's been opened.

Sure does look like nature got real inventive with those "falling" stones.

7 posted on 02/27/2008 5:18:42 AM PST by lil'bit
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To: theDentist
This is at a site called "The Giant's Causeway" in the British Isles:


8 posted on 02/27/2008 5:19:49 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Renfield

looks like naturually occurring basalt formations to me


9 posted on 02/27/2008 5:20:13 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: theDentist
Its possible. If you get the right crystal formation when the rock cools. Take a look at this natural geology in ireland.
10 posted on 02/27/2008 5:25:00 AM PST by SampleMan (We are a free and industrious people, socialist nannies do not become us.)
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To: mylife
I've split stone all my life. I split basalt field stone from my fields. If I learned to split stone for another 45 years, I could only hope to do as good a job as what's in the pics.

I don't suppose this newly found ruins site might be on private land who's owner/s had wanted to keep private?

11 posted on 02/27/2008 5:29:15 AM PST by blackdog
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To: theDentist

Nature abhors a vacuum.....and a straight line.


12 posted on 02/27/2008 5:29:45 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (Truth : Liberals :: Kryptonite : Superman)
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13 posted on 02/27/2008 5:30:34 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/___________________Profile updated Tuesday, February 19, 2008)
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To: mylife

Of course if we could see the corners and endwalls of the formations, that would be the tell.


14 posted on 02/27/2008 5:30:57 AM PST by blackdog
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To: Red in Blue PA; theDentist

Nature loves a straight line.

Search “columnar basalt.” (We have a naturally formed hexagonal basalt column installed in our landscaping.)

And consider all the other natural structures with geometric pattern, like sedimentary layers, honeycombs, spiderwebs, flower and insect patterns, crystals.

Nature ain’t random.


15 posted on 02/27/2008 5:36:18 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Waiting for tagline...)
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To: theDentist; TheBattman
You are the fool and obviously have no understanding of basic minerology or geology. I see from your profile that you live in Virginia. I assure you, you can see similarly "straight lines and geometric forms, interlocking" in several locations in your state. Take a drive along Skyline drive. There are similar exposures of the Catoctin formation in Culpepper / Faquier counties as well as in the Catoctin Mountains in MD.

No geometric forms in nature? That's just absurd. Might be the most blazingly odd claim I've heard in a while.

16 posted on 02/27/2008 5:39:25 AM PST by manapua
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To: manapua

Others more subtle than you have already posted the geological formations in nature. I made an error. mea culpa


17 posted on 02/27/2008 5:43:48 AM PST by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: Renfield
Doesn’t look naturally occurring to this geologist.
18 posted on 02/27/2008 5:46:23 AM PST by doodad
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To: Red in Blue PA

Actually, nature is quite okay with straight lines. You ever look at minerals? I see you’re in PA: if you want to blow your mind, I can send you to some marvelous examples of planar striations in sandstone. Or even easier, dig up some quartz or tourmaline.


19 posted on 02/27/2008 5:47:29 AM PST by manapua
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To: SampleMan

Oh? I suppose you’re saying that the ol’ thumb sucker himself, Mr. Finn MacCool, didn’t build the giant’s stairway?

Dang revisionists.


20 posted on 02/27/2008 6:09:06 AM PST by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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