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Posted on 02/26/2008 8:21:18 PM PST by SErtelt
by Steven Ertelt LifeNews.com Editor February 26, 2008
Cleveland, OH (LifeNews.com) -- Senator Barack Obama debated his Democratic rival Hillary Clinton on Tuesday night and said his biggest mistake was voting to help save Terri Schiavo. Terri is the disabled Florida woman whose husband won the legal right to starve her to death.
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I resemble that remark. Actually, we have had zillions of posts and Terri Dailies ever since this pro-life topic came to national prominence. You should check them out if you can control your nausea. Of course, we Terri's Listers are all core conservatives. How about you?
Is that the way you think, as you expressed here about your B.O.? If so, you must be getting lonesome because most of the rest have wandered into the bug zapper threads.
U.S. Constitution - Amendment 14 - Citizenship Rights:
1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
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5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.
I'm a libertarian-leaning conservative...social conservatives don't get along so well with us. And they're more broken-up about it than we are.
Is that the way you think, as you expressed here about your B.O.?
I was impressed by one thing Obama said...that doesn't make me an Obama supporter.
I can understand that. I was an athletic supporter but that didn't make me a jock.
Nice to hear you are a part-time conservative in some ways, but this is a pro-life site, you know, and when you make comments like these, you brand yourself. People may get the idea you are anti-life if you think it was ok for the State to enforce a death sentence against an innocent like Terri.
I am not a hyphenated-conservative, just a plain old conservative.
Just sayen...
Oh, my goodness! You are supporting our assertion that Terri’s murder was unconstitutional.
You are not supporting your support for Barack Obama’s lie that the govt’s attempt to protect the life of an innocent American citizen was a violation of the US Constitution.
You’re not exhibiting strong moral character or strong reading comprehension skills.
You certainly have no understanding of Consitutional Law, either.
No wonder you have fallen under Obama’s hypnosis.
Lifebuoy stops B.O.
That's because most libertarians aren't conservatives. They are liberals who don't like paying taxes and own guns, those are the only real things they seem to have in common with conservatives.
Libertarians often misunderstand "limited government" and think that it means "no government" and this simply is not the case. The Constitution makes it very clear that its purpose is to, "Secure the Blessings of Liberty" and the most important of these blessing is life, our Founding Fathers were very clear on this.
Amendment V of the Constitution is often thought to only refer to criminal cases, but when you read it, it uses the phrase "no PERSON" and says, "nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation." When the Supreme Court ruled in "Kelo v. City of New London" in 2005, libertarians were up in arms (as were conservatives and rightly so) over this clear violation of the Fifth Amendment, because it clearly violated individual property rights. Yet many of these same libertarians DENIED that Terri's right to life was protected by this same amendment.
From what I've seen, most libertarians could be better described as anarchists than anything else.
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Libertarians often misunderstand "limited government" and think that it means "no government" and this simply is not the case.
If that misunderstand, then they aren't libertarians:
libertarian:
1. One who advocates maximizing individual rights and minimizing the role of the state. 2. One who believes in free will."
I see nothing in the definition of libertarianism about anarchy.
I don't have strong feelings either way about the Schiavo case (except against the zealots on either side) and I am in no way 'anti-life' or a 'deathbot' - the kind of people using this language I try not to bother even having a conversation with. Society can take away your life (capital punishment) when you've harmed society...but it doesn't work the other way: Society can't force you to keep living just because you've been a blessing to society.
Life is precious, but it's not so black and white. Is life spent in excruciating pain precious? Is it precious to the person experiencing the pain? Obviously not.
The judicial process worked itself out - even all the way up to the Florida and U.S. Supreme Court. 'Justice' was served (due process), no matter what one's personal opinion. I think OJ got away with murder, but justice was served. If people don't like the laws, they need to work to get them changed instead of actively working to subvert existing laws.
There was due process, was there not? Congress even got involved, so did the U.S. & Florida Supreme Court. Yet you continue to call it ‘murder’. You are factually wrong.
I guess I missed the capital trial before a jury of her peers.
Florida Constitution
Article One
SECTION 2. Basic rights.—All natural persons, female and male alike, are equal before the law and have inalienable rights, among which are the right to enjoy and defend life...No person shall be deprived of any right because of...physical disability.
I think you should do a bit of deep study on the meaning of the word "unalienable."
You are wrong.
1. Michael Schiavo NEVER made any such claim until AFTER the malpractice suits settled and Terri was awarded money for her rehabilitation (which Michael instead spent on legal fees to end her life).
2. Even IF Terri had ever made such a statement, at the time of her injury a feeding tube WAS NOT considered "extraordinary" life support under Florida law and therefore could not be removed.
3. As far as Michael being the "closest family member," Terri had conversations in the days before her accident in which she indicated that Michael was abusive and she was thinking about leaving him. Moreover, when someone abandons their spouse, moves in with a person of the opposite sex and has children with them, a normal assumption is that, regardless of legalities, the marriage is essentially over.
www.judgegeorgegreer.com, www.michaelschiavo.org
You pointed out a couple of lines in the Constitution about due process and appropriate legislation.
That does not answer my questions, it only raises new ones. Didn’t Terri have a right to a trial by a jury of her peers? Didn’t Terri have protection against cruel and unusual punishment? What crime did Terri commit that warranted the death penalty?
If Michael had simply sad to the Schindlers that it was too much for him to handle and he wanted a divorce, they would have gone along with it and that would have been the end of it. Instead, he plotted to murder Terri in the cruelest fashion imaginable.
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury,
This means that before Terri could be deprived of her life, there first needed to be a grand jury indictment. Obviously, since Terri committed no crime, there was no indictment.
Michael Schiavo was offered a million dollars to hand Terri over to her parents and siblings. The question becomes IMO, who outbid that offer? Terri is deceased and the devil is in the details.
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