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Ancient ceremonial plaza found in Peru
Associated Press ^ | February 26, 2008 | ANDREW WHALEN

Posted on 02/26/2008 3:30:52 PM PST by decimon

LIMA, Peru - A team of German and Peruvian archaeologists say they have discovered the oldest known monument in Peru: a 5,500-year-old ceremonial plaza near Peru's north-central coast.

Carbon dating of material from the site revealed it was built between 3500 B.C. and 3000 B.C., Peter Fuchs, a German archaeologist who headed the excavation team, told The Associated Press by telephone Monday.

The discovery is further evidence that civilization thrived in Peru at the same time as it did in what is now the Middle East and South Asia, said Ruth Shady, a prominent Peruvian archaeologist who led the team that discovered the ancient city of Caral in 2001. Shady serves as a senior adviser to Peru's National Culture Institute and was not involved in the project.

The find also raises questions about what prompted "civilizations to form throughout the planet at more or less the same time," Shady said.

The circular, sunken plaza, built of stones and adobe, is part of the Sechin Bajo archaeological complex in Andes foothills, 206 miles northwest of Lima, where Fuchs and fellow German archaeologist Renate Patzschke have been working since 1992.

It predates similar monuments and plazas found in Caral, which nonetheless remains the oldest known city in the Americas dating back to 2627 B.C.

The plaza served as a social and ritual space where ancient peoples celebrated their "thoughts about the world, their place within it, and images of their world and themselves," Fuchs said.

In an adjacent structure, built around 1800 B.C., Fuchs' team uncovered a 3,600-year-old adobe frieze — six feet tall — depicting the iconic image of a human sacrificer "standing with open arms, holding a ritual knife in one hand and a human head in the other," Fuchs said.

The mythic image was also found in the celebrated Moche Lords of Sipan tombs, discovered on Peru's northern coast in the late 1980s.

Walter Alva, the Peruvian archaeologist who uncovered the Lords of Sipan tombs, said the plaza found in Fuchs' dig was probably utilized by an advanced civilization with economic stability, a necessary condition to construct such a ceremonial site.

The excavation was the fourth in a series of digs at the Sechin Bajo complex that Fuchs and Patzschke began on behalf of the University of Berlin in 1992. Deutsche Forschung Gemeinschaft, a German state agency created to sponsor scientific investigations, has financed the most recent three digs.

The find "shows the world that in America too, human beings of the New World had the same capacity to create civilization as those in the Old World," Shady said.

Her discovery, Caral, made headlines in 2001 when researchers carbon-dated material from the city back to 2627 B.C., proving that a complex urban center in the Americas thrived as a contemporary to ancient Mesopotamia and Egypt — 1,500 years earlier than previously believed.

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Associated Press Writer Leslie Josephs contributed to this report.


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The plaza served as a social and ritual space where ancient peoples celebrated their "thoughts about the world, their place within it, and images of their world and themselves," Fuchs said.

In an adjacent structure, built around 1800 B.C., Fuchs' team uncovered a 3,600-year-old adobe frieze — six feet tall — depicting the iconic image of a human sacrificer "standing with open arms, holding a ritual knife in one hand and a human head in the other," Fuchs said.

You can think about the world and your place in it but it's the guy with the knife who decides.

1 posted on 02/26/2008 3:30:56 PM PST by decimon
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To: SunkenCiv; blam

Head in hand ping.


2 posted on 02/26/2008 3:31:55 PM PST by decimon
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To: decimon

Are they calling this Olmec?


3 posted on 02/26/2008 3:33:49 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: kinoxi
Are they calling this Olmec?

Dunno.

4 posted on 02/26/2008 3:36:09 PM PST by decimon
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To: kinoxi

Yes I’m calling it, time of death 3261 BC, but don’t call me Olmec.


5 posted on 02/26/2008 3:40:02 PM PST by Soliton
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To: Soliton

Good timing. You don’t like the word Olmec. What word do you prefer?


6 posted on 02/26/2008 3:43:05 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: kinoxi

I’ve been called Aztec and Azhole, I am a drilling technician in Phoenix. You choose.


7 posted on 02/26/2008 3:45:45 PM PST by Soliton
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To: Soliton

I was asking a question. Is this Olmec. I am more than capable of ruining the thread. Why though?


8 posted on 02/26/2008 3:50:14 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: decimon; blam
There is a web site dedicated to the "Lords of Sipan", blood drinking and ritual sacrifice at its best. There is some good stuff if you search Moche Iconography.

This is dedicated to my Idol Marja Gumbatus who thought the world was a peaceful place.

10 posted on 02/26/2008 3:55:01 PM PST by Little Bill (Welcome to the Newly Socialist State of New Hampshire)
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To: puffer
Wow, what a spooky place to come from.

Can't argue with that. Too many lousy ways to die.

11 posted on 02/26/2008 3:57:45 PM PST by decimon
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To: decimon

Why is it that anytime an archeologist finds someting, he assumes it is “ceremonial”? Is the town square in front of any random Euro cathedal “ceremonial”, or just an open place?


12 posted on 02/26/2008 4:04:49 PM PST by LexBaird (Behold, thou hast drinken of the Aide of Kool, and are lost unto Men.)
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To: kinoxi

I’m sorry.

The Olmec were a mother culture to later civilizations. The
culture of the Olmec started in Mexico’s Gulf Coast between 1200 and 1400 B.C so the time is right but the location is wrong.

The garishness of the painting, however, is a sign of Olmec egomania. They were known to have big heads.


13 posted on 02/26/2008 4:04:58 PM PST by Soliton
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To: Soliton

Why are you sorry


14 posted on 02/26/2008 4:08:24 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: kinoxi

I thought you were accusing me of ruining the thread.


15 posted on 02/26/2008 4:13:27 PM PST by Soliton
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To: decimon

I’m wearing my standby pair of glasses at the moment so I first read this as “Ancient Ceremonial Pizza”....thinking, “hmmm, with coca and guanaco?”


16 posted on 02/26/2008 4:20:33 PM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (We've checked, and all your zeroes are OK. We're still working on your ones.)
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...“Ancient Ceremonial Pizza”...

The one with the sacrificial anchovies.

17 posted on 02/26/2008 4:33:33 PM PST by decimon
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To: LexBaird
"Is the town square in front of any random Euro cathedal “ceremonial”, or just an open place?"

Since the standard park/town square in front of so many cathedrals is regularly used and even planned around ceremonies such weddings, some with special ceremonial structures such as gazebos that the couple can take their vows in, "ceremonial" seems a perfectly accurate description what they are.

I would not be surprised if kids ran up and down the stairs at Chichen Itza when they were not busy with removing hearts. It's still a ceremonial location.
18 posted on 02/26/2008 4:39:45 PM PST by ndt
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To: puffer

The USA doesn’t have a prehistory


19 posted on 02/26/2008 6:42:46 PM PST by Lily4Jesus ( Jesus Saves)
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20 posted on 02/27/2008 5:33:49 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/___________________Profile updated Tuesday, February 19, 2008)
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