Posted on 02/24/2008 12:58:28 AM PST by winner3000
I just heard that Republicans can vote in the Democrat primaries of Ohio and Texas. One way to make the Democrat race last longer (hence cost more money, make them disunited) is for Republicans in those states to vote Hillary in the Democrat primary. If Hillary wins those primaries, she comes back to life and, hopefully, keeps fighting Obama for another few months while McCain lobs grenades at both of them!
>> vote Hillary in the Democrat primary. Any thoughts?
Yeah, I think that’s a BAD idea. Hillary is NOT behind when you take into account superdelegates, and the overall Clintoon take-no-prisoners treachery. Obama needs to WIN Ohio and TX for the bloodbath to transpire. Furthermore, the best thing for US is to TAKE OUT HILLARY AT THE EARLIEST OPPORTUNITY, irrespective of whether or not it leaves the Donks “tied”.
Hillary and her rat ba$tard husband Billyboy are POISON.
BTW, I will be putting my money where my mouth is and voting in the TX primary, DEM ballot — for Osama.
You do realize that McCain has to get better than 60% of the remaining pledged delegates to avoid the possibility of a brokered convention if enough dirt comes out on him beforehand, don’t you?
Sorry. This is a bad idea. If Hillary comes back to life with Repub votes, it would make her look more popular than she is...Obama would use it to say we fear him, and it would make him even MORE appealing to his cult following.
If she comes back to life at all, let it be dems that do it. She is going to play dirty anyway. We should want no part of it. They are already doing a fine job of ripping each other apart.
Hillary is a live version of the portrait of Dorian Gray. When they finally destroy that portrait, I don’t want it to ever be able to reappear again in life.
Then we put Obama the Djinn back in his bottle.
>> McCain has to get better than 60% of the remaining pledged delegates to avoid the possibility of a brokered convention if enough dirt comes out on him beforehand
I’d say that would be McCain’s problem... he himself feels he’s the shoo-in, and I can’t argue. If he ends up wrong from his own arrogance and stupidity, well then, he screwed up, didn’t he. Wouldn’t be the first time.
It would be best if Obama wins Texas and Ohio. Then Hillary can use her dirty tricks to get enough delegates. Then Obama’s supporters can walk out of the convention hall and boycott the general election.
Nope...when the beast loses she and the entire Clinton machine will go after Obama with vengence! Even if he becomes prez they will continue to blast him...2010 should be a good year if the Republicans grow a backbone.
A vote for Hillary is a vote for the devil, no matter what your reasoning is.
I’d rather see McCain explode and lose in a brokered convetion to someone for whom I can vote.
>> It would be best if Obama wins Texas and Ohio. Then Hillary can use her dirty tricks to get enough delegates.
I see two “acceptable” (to me) outcomes from the Dem convention.
What you outline — a bloody fight (I’m hoping for actual riots on the floor of the hall!) with Hillary ending up on top — is one of them. If Hillary is the nominee only after subterfuge, she will be damaged goods going into the General and will be easy to fight and easy to beat. And whole demographic groups of Democraps (young, black) will be DEmotivated to vote for her. Some may even vote McCain, if he ends up the (R) nominee as seems likely.
The other is for Obama to come out the candidate. Unlike some here on the board, once he’s no longer running in the echo chamber of Democrat primary activists, I think he is easily beatable. That makes it the (R) candidate’s to lose — if the (R) will fight! I think “fighting” Obama will be trickier in some ways. But for someone with the guts to put aside political correctness and go toe-to-toe with him, beating him is straightforward IMHO.
Just my 2c. But both scenarios are predicated on Obama having a healthy delegate lead going into the convention. That’s why I’m voting for the Llama in the Tx primary.
We want Hillary OUT, NOW...
Let her vitriol drive her to destroy the DNC.
In the mean time, if the above posters are correct and McCain can be deprived of a clean nomination, then it needs to be done. VOTE AGAINST MCCAIN and serve your own interests.
The democrats will likely self-destruct on their own. Lady Stalin and the skinny socialist will consume each other on the way to what will likely be a "riot" of a brokered convention in Denver.
But if she wins the nomination, I hope to see Obama delegates walk out of the convention.
Plan A and Plan B.
Plan C -- if Obama gets the nomination and wins. Painful, but I think he can be controlled.
Plan D (Hillary wins the nomination, and the election) is unthinkable.
Brokered convention bump.
You could be right. Here's why:
Tavis Smiley Catches Hell for Barack Bashing Posted Feb 19th 2008 10:40AM by Faye Anderson Filed under: BlackSpin, Elections, Barack Obama
This weekend thousands of black history makers will gather in New Orleans for Tavis Smiley's annual State of the Black Union. One prominent African American will be conspicuous by his absence: Barack Obama.
Obama sent his regrets in a letter: "In the final stretch, I will be on the campaign trail everyday in states like Ohio, Texas and Wisconsin talking directly with voters about the causes that are at the heart of my campaign and the State of the Black Union forum such as affordable health care, housing, economic opportunity, civil rights and foreign policy. I am committed to touching every voter, and working to earn their vote."
Smiley is being raked over the coals and "catching hell" for criticizing Obama and turning down Michelle Obama as a surrogate.
Essence.com contributor Roland Martin supports Obama's decision not to go. Martin offered this excuse: "He can't be defined again as the black candidate. Some will say he must avoid black folks to be more palatable to whites and Hispanics. I disagree. But you can't deny the reality that he's running for president of the United States and not president of Black America. The week of the South Carolina was all about race, and he knows that is not a winning discussion because of this nation's history."
Martin added: "His campaign successfully beat back that issue since South Carolina, winning nearly all-white states like Utah, Idaho, Montana, Minnesota, Delaware, Connecticut, and Nebraska. Obama is looking to have mass appeal, and showing up in New Orleans at a State of the Black Union event doesn't help him at all in a close race."
Obama and his supporters want to have it both ways. Blacks are obligated to support Obama out of racial pride. Those who support Hillary Clinton are race traitors, haters, Uncle Toms, crabs-in-a-barrel.
But Obama feels no obligation to show appreciation for the ones who have powered him to front-runner status in "the final stretch." Texas is right next door. How much time would it take out of his schedule to show up?
There's a political maxim that "you dance with the one who brung ya." Black voters brought Obama this far. If he is the Democratic nominee and wins in November, it will not be voters in "nearly all-white states" who bring him over the finish line.
http://www.blackvoices.com/blogs/2008/02/19/smileys-black-history-makers/#cont
If Ralph Nader jumps into the fray tomorrow, I will strongly consider donating a small sum for his effort. He has no real chance of being elected. Helping the Democrats self-destruct is a good thing, but helping Hillary! is beyond the pale.
The potential for the ultimate happy ending is there; if H KKKlintler can pull the thing out via gaming and super-delegates, we could see the final end of the dem party. By all means vote for Hillary.
You hit the nail on the head! The Clintons have BIG plans for when they get their hands on power again, and so do their foreign backers!
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