BTW - I have errands to run this afternoon, I’ll let this thread find it’s own way and be ack later tonight.
Two very simple reasons.
First the handwriting is on the wall for anyone willing to see it. McCain isn’t going to win. He’s winning primaries with around half the votes Hillary is losing with.
Second, I see no reason to vote for a losing candidate AND give the GOP a go ahead for a further leftward slide. Instead I’ll write in a conservative candidate to show what I want to see from the GOP.
Well said!
“What doesn’t make sense is why you push for a McCain and GOP loss.”
A significant number of that group want to see the GOP utterly destroyed so that their favorite third party can take it’s place.
Some people just want to stay bitter 24/7, it’s in their genes, IMO.
Giving a McCain 4-8 years would disenfranchise the conservatives and the Reagan Democrats that cross over for many moons to come.
I am not completely behind this, but when politics are viewed farther out than 2-4 year blocks, a different picture comes into focus.
Thoughts anyone?
Well Bob, I'd imagine it's because people come to FR to debate the issues and attempt to persuade others to their viewpoint.
The probability that we may fail in the struggle ought not to
deter us from the support of a cause we believe to be just.
- Abraham Lincoln -
This is a vanity stupid.
Bob the problem is misery loves company and cutting off your nose to spite your face is not a sign of wisdom but gross immaturity. The idea of electing someone who will cause more damage is not sound as these setbacks are not easy to recover from. For example we are still suffering from Bubba’s excessive military cuts as it is difficult to reconsitute forces that are fully trained & battle ready. The shortage of ground troops has hurt our Iraq operation in many ways and we still have lots of work to do to undo Bubba’s damage. Obama can put us in much worse condition.
Good questions here Bob.
I have always been behind door #2 and would also love to hear the reasoning of those behind door #3.
Be prepared. I sincerely hope you have your flame-retardants at the ready. I’ve peeked behind door #3 on the rare occasion and there are some real ghouls there.
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Some people think that we might be better off sinking McCain and at the same time send a message that candidates of his ilk need not apply in the future.
I viscerally dislike John McCain and I vowed many years ago to never vote for him for any office, for any reason. He has *continually* stabbed conservatives in the back for at least the last ten years. He’s a card-carrying member of Al Gore’s evil, anti-human, Stalinist Warmist cult.
Yes, he’s closer to us than Ubama or Hilldog. And yes, he would probably be a better choice, if the next four years was the only concern. Probably. But as far as I’m concerned, if there’s going to be an anti-conservative president, I’d rather it be a Democrat we can openly fight than a RINO we (and our Congresscritters) feel the obligation to defend and apologize for. Pubbies in Congress are more likely to fight a carbon tax if it’s proposed by Obama or Clinton than if it’s proposed by McCain.
Even if it doesn’t work out that way and Obama’s as much of a disaster as I expect him to be, I’d rather see a Democratic disaster for four years, and I’d rather see the rest of the GOP learn the lesson to never nominate this kind of moron again.
I’ll admit it’s a gamble, and I might be wrong. I won’t be spending any time insulting those who decide to support McCain, but I will defend my position from attacks. If McCain supporters want to keep up their tactics of insulting conservatives who aren’t on board I’m more than happy to reciprocate.
Great post Bob, but no amount of logic is going to convince those who hate McCain to change their minds. Their hate is so big that they want to see ill and evil upon the USA so they can see McCain defeated. The good news is that in the real world they are less than 5% of the Republican base and McCain will make up the difference and much more from moderates and independents.
I just don’t believe McCain has the temperament to be president. That is the first question I ask before I look at individual issues which I do agree with McCain more than the two clowns. I will vote down the ticket but not President this time around.
I am really kind of waiting to see who he chooses as a running mate. For the WI primary he was running commercials saying he finally heard us on immigration but why did it take so damn long?
Why couldn’t he hear us when we were melting down the phone lines on the Hill?
Well said, I’ve wondered about that also.
There is a fourth group. People like myself at this point in time eight months before the election, who are holding back support.
McCain needs to move right and I take the wait and see approach.
Many have lost focus and fail to “see the forest for the trees”... I have had similiar discussion with those that have MDS and they refuse to allow logic to dictate their actions....
The number one issue facing this country in this election is:
1. The preservation of American freedom.
Some will argue like me that it means continuing on the strategic course of offense against the Jihadists that will tear our Freedom away by use of the tactic of Terror.
The only candidate that will effective do that is McCain.
Hillary will get us half measures.
Obama will resign us to defeat and isolationism, additionally he will tear the military apart and change the DOD from to the DOP.. (Dept of Peace)
Others on this forum will argue that strict conservative values are the only true way to Preseve American Freedom and they do not see the threat as clearly as I do. If we only want 911 to happen once we better be careful who we vote for.
“So why are you working so hard, so viscerlly, so nasty, to turn votes against McCain?”
I don’t care who you vote for.
“If you truly feel as you do than go sit out November or cast your vote for your 3rd party candidate.”
Options that I am taking under advisement
“What doesn’t make sense is why you push for a McCain and GOP loss.”
This actually DOES make sense if you look at it from a conservatives POV. Let me explain;
1. Juan does not deserve the job.
2. He has stabbed us in the back so many times that we now resemble a well worn pin cushion.
3. Rewarding his kind of behavior over the past 10 or so years will (win or lose) get you a Joe Liebermann “conservative” as your next Repube nominee.
Have you ever raised kids? If so, were you big into rewarding bad behavior?