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Exhibition: How Barbarian Loot Wound Up In The Rhine (German)
Die WElt ^ | 02/15/2008 | Peter Ditmar

Posted on 02/17/2008 7:55:29 PM PST by pierrem15

Exihibition in Bonn concerning loot plundered from Gaul by the Alemanni found in the Rhine (more than 1000 objects). This event is dated fairly exactly to the mid-third century by Roman records of a great defeat of Germans trying to get back to Germany after plundering Gaul. Apparently the Roman Army caught them in mid-stream, burdened with plunder. Bet it sucked to be them that day.

Story in German.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Germany; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: alemanni; dasrheingold; derringdesnibelungen; diewalkure; gaul; germany; godsgravesglyphs; gotterdammerung; rhine; roman; romanempire; rome; siegfried; thering; wagner
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1 posted on 02/17/2008 7:55:32 PM PST by pierrem15
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To: pierrem15

Gosh, that stuff is almost perfectly preserved. Click on the article picture to see more pictures of the loot.


2 posted on 02/17/2008 8:00:04 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: blam; SunkenCiv

Ping to you both.


3 posted on 02/17/2008 8:00:31 PM PST by ConservativeMind
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To: pierrem15

4 posted on 02/17/2008 8:03:02 PM PST by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: blam

No way that picture is of the actual site. Are we supposed to buy the idea that this stuff has just sat there in a nice pile, in a river, undisturbed, for 1700 years and still looks like it’s just sitting in somebody’s aquarium? I wouldn’t buy that even if it were in the river since WWII as part of some lost looting booty.


5 posted on 02/17/2008 8:16:19 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth (Get yer red meat, tobaccy and ammo, now. The krinton syndicate is moving back into the WH.)
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To: WorkingClassFilth

Global warming disturbed the river bottom.


6 posted on 02/17/2008 8:18:31 PM PST by Rb ver. 2.0 (Global warming is the new Marxism.)
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To: Cicero

That first pic HAS to be staged. No way an item can lay on the bottom of a river for 1800 years and not be covered with silt.


7 posted on 02/17/2008 8:28:07 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Yes, I think you’re right. Matter of fact, that looks more like an aquarium tank with a diver in it than the Rhine. But it’s still surprising these objects look so fresh.


8 posted on 02/17/2008 8:34:18 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
I was wondering about that. But if the river bottom was scoured by higher flow once in while, then the heavy metal objects would accumulate in piles.

It's also possible hat the photo was taken after a water jet was used to excavate.

In any case, the items found are amazing, including the bronze head of a horse cut from a sculpture.

9 posted on 02/17/2008 8:35:44 PM PST by pierrem15 (Charles Martel: past and future of France)
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To: blam

Horse head cut from statue.

10 posted on 02/17/2008 8:40:22 PM PST by pierrem15 (Charles Martel: past and future of France)
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To: pierrem15; Billthedrill; AnAmericanMother; aculeus; MozarkDawg
Count on it winding up once and for all with the Rhinemaidens.
11 posted on 02/17/2008 8:56:08 PM PST by dighton
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To: pierrem15
Isn't there something in the Nibelungenlied about gold being thrown into the Rhine by the Nibelungs? Maybe they can find that next.
12 posted on 02/17/2008 8:57:18 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: pierrem15

it does not look like a silty stream but you would think the stuff would be dispersed- even from fishing activity or anchoring.


13 posted on 02/17/2008 8:58:43 PM PST by spanalot (*)
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To: pierrem15

So, they picked my pocket and tossed the evidence. No big deal....


14 posted on 02/17/2008 9:47:08 PM PST by tracer
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To: pierrem15

bump for later


15 posted on 02/17/2008 11:25:46 PM PST by goldfinch
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To: pierrem15

Personally I’ve always wondered about the ‘lost eagles’ of the legions of Varros.

No one ever found battle sites or discarded weapons that would be expected from a major loss.

On the other hand, they could have like the British soldiers in ‘The Lost Patrol’ where you never see one of the fiendish desert warriors as the patrol is whittled down one by one.


16 posted on 02/18/2008 6:15:15 AM PST by wildbill
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To: Verginius Rufus

In the article they speculate that the loot that often got lost when the Germans had to cross the Rhine again on their way back, might be the source for the Nibelungen-Rhinegold tale.


17 posted on 02/18/2008 8:20:13 AM PST by avid
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To: wildbill
The site of Varus' disaster (the Teutoburger Forest or Teutoburgiensis saltus) was finally discovered a few yeears ago (in the 1990s I think)...objects dating to exactly the right time period were found. There was a popular article in Archaeology magazine not long after the discovery.
18 posted on 02/18/2008 8:32:01 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Verginius Rufus

Dang, I must’ve missed that. I’ll do a google. Thanks.


19 posted on 02/18/2008 12:17:16 PM PST by wildbill
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