Posted on 02/17/2008 5:05:48 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
Dogubayazit (Turkey’s Iran-Armenian Border) • For the first time in the seven decade-long history of the search for the legendary Noah’s Ark, a Turkish-Hong Kong exploration team on Tuesday came out with “material evidence”, to prove that the Ark was nestled on Mount Ararat, Turkey’s highest mountain peak bordering Iran and Armenia.
A panel of experts, comprising Turkish authorities, veteran mountaineers, archaeologists, geologists and members of Hong Kong-based Noah’s Ark Ministries International, also displayed an almost one-metre-long peice of petrified wood before the media and specially invited international experts.
The experts claimed it to be a part of a long structure they had unearthed during their February-August 2007 exploration. “It is for the first time in the history of the Ark search that an exploration team is getting a material evidence and graphic documentation. This makes it not only a the significant breakthrough in the Ark-search, but one that is supported with the most substantial evidence in recent history,” the panel said.
The revelation is expected to open up a fresh chapter in the ongoing debates in the scientific community on the search for Noah’s Ark.
Narrating the genesis of their exploration on Mount Ararat, the mount which has a direct reference in Holy Quran (Mount Judi) and Bible, the panel said the search team had made several foiled attempts before unearthing the evidence at an altitude of 4,500-metres of the estimated 5,165 metre volcanic mountain.
“The structure was discovered in the interiors of an unusual cave. The 11.5m wide and 2.6m high white wooden texture was revealed after removing thick layers of volcanic ash on the cave wall,” panel members said at a press conference.
One of the underlying issues in the search for the Ark is the proper identification of its wood fragments. A petrographic examination carried out by the Applied Geoscience Centre of the Department of Earth Sciences, University of Hong Kong, identified the object as a petrified wooden structure, the panel said.
“Some of the big holes found on the structure indicate the locations where branches used to grow on tree. In places, original holes are partly or completely replaced by individual minerals and crystalline materials that can be found in rock materials,” said Dr Ahmet Ozbek, a panel member, who is also a faculty of Geology Engineering Kahramanmara Suctcu Imam University.
Dismissing the possibilities of the structure being wood that could appear naturally around the discovery site, Professor Oktay Belli, director, Eurasian Archaeology Institute, University of Istanbul, said researches have proved that there was no vegetation on Mount Ararat ever since 2000BC, because of the asperities of Ararat’s climate.
Talking to The Peninsula, Cemalettin Demircioglu, Dogubayazit City Governor, under whose jurisdiction the mount is located, said the civic body will invite more international experts to conduct further scientific studies on Mount Ararat.
“History has more than one times corroborated the legendary evidence that the ark was nestled on Mount Ararat. We will introduce the latest findings to the world and continue the scientific study. All interested scientists and NGOs can join our missions” he said. However, he said, those who are involved in the project must ensure the findings are not used politically, religiously, or for any vested interest.
Located in the Far Eastern Turkey, Ararat is great prize for mountain collectors. Ark sighting has often been reported from this mountain. The observation of Vessel-shaped features in aerial photograph of Ararat had caused a stir in the late 1950’s. However, this is the first time an exploration team is coming out with “material evidence”.
>>If for whatever reasons you choose not to believe that particular paper, there are many others with evidence that support the story. The evidence comes from archeologists, geologists and other scientific types from various parts of the world. They all tell essentially the same story; would you believe any of them?<<
I am not aware of a major credentialed archaeological group whose position is that there was a world wide flood and that dinosaur bones are recent enough for dinosaurs to have coexisted with man. In fact, I’m pretty sure about that.
Huh?
Just go into the alternate universe where perhaps the Bible is true for a second.
Adam and Eve are the first people. It was “incest” for quite a while.
Interesting question, though I did think it through historically — I need to do a concordance search on the Hebrew. Interesting problem. Leviticus is where it is mentioned without cracking open a Bible. Chapter 18. Infamous text that Paul also refers to with Peter in the New Testament.
bfl
That said, there is some evidence from around the world that points to some dramatic and sudden uplift and falling of various parts of landmasses, along with sudden and dramatic climate change. Did it happen? The Bible says as much, but if you're not convinced re the flood, then the moving of the land surely won't sit well.
Early creationist geologists gave up on the flood for lack of evidence. The last holdout was about 1831.
Archaeology likewise has not found any evidence for a global flood at the appointed time, about 4350 years ago.
Such a flood would obviously have left world-wide evidence, yet archaeologists and sedimentologists can't find it. Nor can the life science folks. All we see are continuities across that time period. Continuities of fauna and flora, human civilizations, genetic indicators--you name it.
15 X 18 = 270
270/12 = 22.5
The water rose 22.5 feet and deposited the ark on Mount Ararat?
Okay.
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If you will read the verses before your partial rendering, you will find that it was fifteen cubits above the “highest hills”
(Genesis 7:18-20.)
18 And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters.
19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.
20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.
>>Early creationist geologists gave up on the flood for lack of evidence. The last holdout was about 1831.<<
That’s interesting timing. So creationist geologists had already concluded that the flood story could not be literal ~30 years before Origin of the Species and thus independent of any debate involving Darwin.
I didn’t know that but it makes sens in light of the advancements of the 19 century.
Well, if you choose to stay with the PC safe peer-reviewed articles to be found in the elite scientific journals -- don't hold your breath. For whatever reasons, they have chosen to ignore the evidence which points to catastrophic changes on our little blue planet. Particularly events occurring during human history. After all, early Man is no longer around to confirm his "myths".
...and that dinosaur bones are recent enough for dinosaurs to have coexisted with man. In fact, I’m pretty sure about that.
Mastodons and wooly mammoths and their contempories aren't, and weren't, dinosaurs.
Some ADDITIONAL READING.
FWIW, the University of New Mexico has preserved Frank Hibbens work in the Alaska muck. I think you have to order it. Or you can believe the excerpts you read from the web...
Then get a Bible and read it.
Bookmarking.
Been there. Some of it is good; some of it is a little bit,er, out there.
Found you another easy mark Coyoteman???
You seem to not appreciate my point that the record of interest to me is that laid down by the hand of God and nature, in depositing layer after layer of alluvial recordings that anyone can see, written in a universal language incorruptible by mistranslation.
I will admit that having sea-bottoms thrust upward in geologic time, accompanied throughout by earthquakes of various magnitudes, may seem apocalyptic, but despite the suddenness of earthquakes and floods, most of the change happened so slowly that generations of all types went by without their becoming aware of perceptible change.
Geologic time is a magnificent vision, godlike in its scope. "Oh, what a gift He gie us," indeed.
But it also tends to open one's eyes to the chicanery of the fast-talking charlatans who will present only that presumed "evidence" that seems to confirm their current-day pet theory.
The record of creation is written everywhere, not just in dusty tomes and obscure university tracts.
> ... the mount which has a direct reference in Holy Quran (Mount Judi) and Bible,...
Why is it the “Holy Quran” and just the “Bible”. Shouldn’t it be the “Holy Bible”? Is the “Holy Bible” less holy than the “Guidebook for Terrorists”?
You posted, in part: Adam and Eve are the first people. It was “incest” for quite a while.
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Perhaps there was incest, but I also seem to recall that after Cain killed Abel he left to go live in some town or city somewhere else. If God made Adam and Eve, I guess He could have made some more humans later on, just as He probably made more than two of each species, assuming that Genesis has factual instead of purely symbolic meaning.
You show me where in the Ten Commandments it mentions incest...this ought to be really good.
I am fully aware of the implications of Adam and Eve...that is why I do not believe the Creation story literally. There are far too many contradictions.
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