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Predators tell children how to kill themselves
UK Telegraph ^ | 2/17/08 | Patrick Sawer

Posted on 02/17/2008 11:12:27 AM PST by wagglebee

A network of "suicide gurus" who use the internet to advise people how to kill themselves has been exposed.

 
 Websites offering advice on how to commit suicide are linked to young deaths
Death cult: Nagasiva Yronwode,
of the Church of Euthanasia


They are blamed for prompting depressed and vulnerable youngsters to take their own lives.

One, an American satanist who boasts of writing a guide to the subject, says: "What's the problem with ending your life via suicide?"

Another is a "pro-choice" Dutch writer whose website includes detailed accounts of dozens of suicide methods.

Campaigners have uncovered 29 "internet suicides" in Britain since 2001, including two new cases reported this weekend.

The findings follow the cluster of suicides among young people in Bridgend, where a coroner is now re-examining nine deaths on top of 16 suspected suicides under investigation. It emerged on Friday that another two young people from the Welsh town had been found hanged. Nathaniel Pritchard, 15, and his cousin Kelly Stephenson, 20, were both members of a social networking ­website.

Among the most notorious suicide websites, which The Sunday Telegraph has decided not to name to avoid encouraging their use, are two discussion forums, or "chatrooms", in which users offer advice on how to end one's life.

In some cases, people with suicidal feelings have been encouraged to take their own lives rather than to seek professional advice.

In a posting on one of the sites last week, a desperate user wanting to know how to hang himself was directed, by another correspondent, to a website containing drawings of knots and nooses.

Internet service providers and search engines like Google and Yahoo say they cannot block these websites and forums unless they are made illegal by the Government.

One of the most notorious figures on the internet suicide scene is Nagasiva Yronwode, a self-confessed satanist who runs a shop selling occult books and charms in the small Californian town of Forestville, north of San Francisco.

Yronwode, 46, describes himself as the "outreach director" for an extremist cult called the Church of Euthanasia, which advocates suicide as a means of saving the world from the effects of overpopulation.

Writing under the name Boboroshi, he has edited a suicide guide, which details various methods. Yronwode's own website contains links to online suicide discussion boards and forums.

He told this newspaper: "The guide is there to make it easier for people who opt for suicide to carry it out. The purpose of my information is empowerment for competent human beings who have an interest in ending their lives. What's the problem with that?

"I haven't seen any evidence that any person has acted as a result of reading the guide. But, of course, people who have an interest in ending their lives may well seek out information that relates to suicide and in some cases that leads them to end their lives."

Yronwode rejected arguments that he was responsible for the deaths of suicide victims.

"I'm not the protector of these troubled youths," he said. "Their parents are the people who made them troubled. They are responsible for them. They should look at their living conditions, genetic features and local conditions which might lead them to take their own lives. Everything else is a ­distraction."

Another person closely linked to the suicide discussion forums is Karin Spaink, 50, a Dutch former schoolteacher who became a writer in 1986 after being diagnosed with multiple sclerosis. Spaink is an advocate of the right to die and has published on her website a manual detailing 41 ways of committing suicide. The manual ends with the lyrics to the song Suicide is Painless, which featured in the 1970 film M*A*S*H.

The best-known of the suicide chat­rooms is understood to have been founded more than 10 years ago by a British man, originally from Newcastle upon Tyne. At one stage he was apparently operating from a Newcastle University email address. However, there is now no trace of him.

Calle Dybedahl, a 38-year-old Swedish IT worker, later took over as editor of the site. On his personal website, Dybedahl describes himself as a witch and a member of a coven and says he has had psychiatric treatment for depression.

Of the suicide discussion forum, he says: "The most basic difference in opinion between me and those who have mailed me, telling me I'm a monster, seems to be that they think that death is an inherently bad thing, while I don't."

He now says he has distanced himself from the site, but defends it as "socially useful".

Dybedahl, Spaink and Yronwode deny inciting or encouraging individuals to take their own lives, but groups that work to help prevent youth suicides, such as Papyrus, a Lancashire-based charity, say their writing provides vulnerable people with instant access to graphic ways of committing suicide.

Paul Kelly, co-founder of Papyrus, whose 18-year-old son Simon killed himself after visiting a suicide website, said: "There is a growing number of parents out there who can say the internet has played a role in the deaths of their children.

"The internet offers factual advice which is accessible within seconds. This is particularly dangerous with young people, who often work on impulse.

"People like Spaink and Yronwode are completely irresponsible. They don't consider the consequences of their actions."

Ivan Lewis, the Health Minister, said: "I share public concern at the impact of the internet on vulnerable people. Working with organisations like Samaritans and internet service providers, we need to consider whether there is more we can do together to protect them."

In one new case uncovered by Papyrus, a girl of 13 took her own life in December after spending hours looking at websites that had details of how to commit suicide.

Her mother said she did not know that her daughter was going through such distress, or about the websites. She said: "We know now that the previous evening she accessed 'how to suicide' sites, and we believe that this aided her in her actions."

In another new case, a man of 36 killed himself last year after apparently following online advice. In two further new cases, young people tried to kill themselves but failed, one ending up brain-damaged and in need of 24-hour care.

Papyrus is calling for the 1961 Suicide Act, which outlaws the promotion of suicide, to be updated to ban its promotion on websites, in line with other countries including Japan and Australia.

No one has ever been successfully prosecuted in Britain for inciting someone online to take their own life. The Ministry of Justice said it would be difficult to frame a law to ban suicide websites without also criminalising counselling services or works of fiction.

A spokeswoman said: "The mere publication on the internet of material that assists and/or encourages suicide would not of itself be an offence of assisting suicide, because there needs to be a causative link with an actual or attempted suicide. But sites which actively encourage suicide might be committing the offence of attempting to assist ­suicide."

The signs to watch for and where to turn

• Look out for signs of depression in teenagers

• Warning signs include being withdrawn and distant

• Try to communicate and make them feel comfortable by discussing their concerns

• Encourage troubled teenagers to see a GP or counsellor; offer to take them

• Listen to what they tell you and do not be judgmental

• Tell them that you love them no matter what and give them a hug

• If they won't talk to you, encourage them to talk to a friend or sibling

• If they are living away from home, go and see them



TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: cult; deathcult; euthanasia; liberals; moralabsolutes; prolife; satanists; sick; suicide
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To: Arthur McGowan

I just wondered what the result would be if Christians truly believed life to be a spiritual battle instead of a only political, or material, or financial, or physical battles. We tend to forget its all a spiritual battle. Obviously the Satanists know, and this past year I have been losing my battles. Time to regroup and surrender to the Almighty One True God—again. Satan is soooooo slick.


41 posted on 02/17/2008 2:05:58 PM PST by huldah1776 ( Worthy is the Lamb)
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To: wagglebee
Why doesn't Mr. Yronwode kill himself, you know, as an example to indicate he is not a hypocrite?

42 posted on 02/17/2008 2:11:14 PM PST by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: dighton
Easiest “Spot the Looney” ever.

That's the vision that pops in my head when the term "Liberal" comes up.

43 posted on 02/17/2008 2:14:12 PM PST by Inyo-Mono (If you don't want people to get your goat, don't tell them where it's tied.)
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To: William Terrell

“Why doesn’t Mr. Yronwode kill himself, you know, as an example to indicate he is not a hypocrite?”

Same reason Osama Ben Ladin employs suicide bombers but doesn’t blow himself up.


44 posted on 02/17/2008 2:14:20 PM PST by Beowulf9
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To: Arthur McGowan

You are absolutely right on the mark!

YOUR POST BEARS REPEATING:

“I don’t see what’s so “extremist” about this. This is what Algore is campaigning for: voluntary abortion, forced abortion, death by freezing, death by unavailability of refrigeration, death by Depo-Provera, death by unavailability of pesticides, death by unavailability of transportation, death by starvation.”


45 posted on 02/17/2008 2:14:36 PM PST by eleni121 (+ En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great)
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To: William Terrell

Because he’s a hypocrite who gets a thrill from persuading other people to kill themselves. Like being a murderer, sort of, only very hard to prove anything ...


46 posted on 02/17/2008 2:14:50 PM PST by Tax-chick (If there's a bustle in your hedgerow, don't shoot! It might be a lemur!)
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To: William Terrell
Why doesn't Mr. Yronwode kill himself, you know, as an example to indicate he is not a hypocrite?

PERFECT . . . at the next anti-whatever demonstration, carry a sign that says: "Be an example of what you profess or you are a hypocrite. (and in small letters) P.S. Hypocrites welcome on this side of the street."

I wonder if any leftist would even recognize how hypocritical he or she truly is.

47 posted on 02/17/2008 3:41:14 PM PST by HighlyOpinionated (http://auntiecoosa.blogspot.com -- read, learn, blog, or get out of my way.)
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To: wagglebee
Yronwode, 46, describes himself as the "outreach director" for an extremist cult called the Church of Euthanasia, which advocates suicide as a means of saving the world from the effects of overpopulation.

The brutal truth: Advocates of population control should at least practice what they preach--but they don't. I have known about the so-called "Church of Euthanasia" for eight or nine years now, and am saddened to see its influence growing. "Suicide chic" is much bigger than it was even a few years ago. The CoE believes that the Earth is a living, feeling organism and that we humans are no more than parasites to be exterminated for the good of Gaia's well-being.

Are we willing to trade the Heavenly Father and Uncle Sam for Mother Earth and Big Brother?

This only helps to support a little formula that I've been poring over for some time now: The eighteenth century: regicide; the nineteenth century: deicide; the twentieth century: genocide; and the twenty-first century: suicide.

And yes, death is an inherently bad thing.
48 posted on 02/17/2008 6:58:37 PM PST by Das Outsider ("Fools are paramount in politics..."--Kenneth Minogue)
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To: wagglebee
Yronwode, 46, describes himself as the "outreach director"...

Outreach your finger directly towards a light socket, Naga. Whoops--looks like you already did!
49 posted on 02/17/2008 7:02:38 PM PST by Das Outsider ("Fools are paramount in politics..."--Kenneth Minogue)
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To: wagglebee

oh, my.


50 posted on 02/17/2008 7:04:01 PM PST by Ciexyz
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To: M203M4

Those organizations are pro Eugenics under the deceptive facade of environmentalism. Many ivory tower leftist antilectuals know that after “The Final Solution” eugenics cannot become accepted again unless it is under wrapped under the guise of saving the planet. Then there is planned parenthood and their role in that but that’s for another time... Someday the US may impose one child fines much like China did at it’s first conception(all in the name of “future carbon output taxes”). Eventually they will be turning to more draconian penalties such as forced abortions, much like China.


51 posted on 02/17/2008 7:12:52 PM PST by Xenophon450 (I guess I'll never know, some things under the sun can never be understood...)
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I've done some tracking of some of these groups myself.

There is pending legislation, stuck in committee I think called HR 940, Suzanne Gonzales Suicide Prevention Act 2007, "To amend title 18, United States Code, to prohibit the use of interstate commerce for suicide promotion."

Here's the hell into which her parents were plunged:

Parents: Online mewsgroup helped daughter commit suicide (CNN)

This was the same newsgroup on which the Colorado New Life church shooter left his last messages.

There was a similar bill for veterans, and surprisingly, that passed IIRC.

52 posted on 02/17/2008 7:15:36 PM PST by Aliska
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To: Xenophon450
Those organizations are pro Eugenics under the deceptive facade of environmentalism. Many ivory tower leftist antilectuals know that after “The Final Solution” eugenics cannot become accepted again unless it is under wrapped under the guise of saving the planet.

This is today's environmentalism. They have stopped believing in God; now they believe in Gaia. Man is no longer regarded as a special creation, rather one of the plethora of animals--except that we are particularly obnoxious to the Goddess. The "Final Solution" in Third Reich Germany was an attempted solution to the problem of transcendental absolutes; the same as we see today with regard to so-called environmentalism.

Then there is planned parenthood and their role in that but that’s for another time... Someday the US may impose one child fines much like China did at it’s first conception(all in the name of “future carbon output taxes”). Eventually they will be turning to more draconian penalties such as forced abortions, much like China.

All under the guise of "public health" or economic necessity, I'm sure.
53 posted on 02/17/2008 7:28:53 PM PST by Das Outsider ("Fools are paramount in politics..."--Kenneth Minogue)
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To: Morgana
"Real witches do not believe in satan."

They can cast spells though. Obama must be a powerful warlock, like the 'toon himself to be able to counter her heinous miss cankles. Vince Foster and the American people weren't so lucky.

A1 sauce on eye of newt and throw it on the nifty floor. Make this post be 54.

54 posted on 02/17/2008 8:15:51 PM PST by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani, gun grabber)
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To: wagglebee
Pinged from Terri Dailies

8mm


55 posted on 02/18/2008 4:36:11 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: wagglebee

Bump


56 posted on 02/18/2008 11:55:56 AM PST by Between the Lines (I am very cognizant of my fallibility, sinfulness, and other limitations.)
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To: BenLurkin

Dr. Seuss meets Dr. Kevorkian

57 posted on 02/18/2008 12:05:20 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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