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THE GOP DOESN'T WANT US- SO WHAT'S NEXT?
me | 2/6/2008 | ovrtaxt

Posted on 02/06/2008 3:43:04 AM PST by ovrtaxt

Here's the current state of things, as coldly and accurately as I can portray them:

1> The Dems are rushing headlong into socialism, and possibly something much worse.

2>The GOP leadership has made a decision- namely, that they don't want Conservatives around. Oh, they want us on election day, but after that, “shut up and go stand over there where you won't embarrass us”.

3> We face several national threats. Globalist dilution of our national sovereignty, Radical Islam, a rapidly weakening dollar, Chinese aggression by economic and trade policies, the impending internal losses of vital Constitutional rights, and a general worldwide sentiment of resentment and envy against America. And there's a cruel dagger in our back that's been there for decades, but is now starting to twist- the US economy is staring down the barrel of a Keynesian rifle- the socialist chickens are coming home to roost, and the only thing we get from campaigning politicians is more socialism. Our current debt-based economy is unsustainable. We will be toast if something drastic isn't done, and we won't be able to fight ANY WAR if we can't afford it.

Here's the bitter pill being forced down our throats this morning: WE HAVE NOWHERE TO GO. There's no larger political framework available which will express our desire for freedom, no voice in politics which echoes our heart's desire. We have forums like this, SOME talk radio, and each other. We have a few good people in Congress, here and there. But a national platform, a focused voice to represent Constitutionally limited government, it doesn't exist.

Here's why- many of us are still clinging on to one sorry half-baked liberal candidate or another. Even today, I'm hearing many Freepers stating their continued loyalty to McCain, simply because he isn't Hillary. How much crap will you eat before you start to wonder 'where's the real food'?

It's time to come together and make a common agreement. We must not compromise something so vitally important to the world as the Constitution. Multitudes of enslaved people around the world dream of living the way we do. If we let this slip away, we'll regress to the control freak nightmare that has been the majority of human history.

Remember- the GOP doesn't want us. We need to stick together, however, and decide where to go. A new Conservative leadership is desperately needed, and a new home for Conservative voters is desperately needed.

Suggestions? As for a party apparatus, the first thing that comes to my mind is the Constitution Party. Yes, I know the CP isn't viable right now, but if Conservatives started defecting en masse, it would be. Remember what happened in the 70s- we decided that the GOP could provide our framework. It's taken them 30 years, but the goons who run the party have finally managed to 'extract themselves from our tentacles', at least that's how they probably see it. The current CP would welcome it, since that's who they are anyway.

But political leadership, I have no idea. Who do you like?


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Just throwing some ideas around. We need to start looking forward NOW.
1 posted on 02/06/2008 3:43:11 AM PST by ovrtaxt
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To: ScaniaBoy; Cooter; eyespysomething; B4Ranch; Alamo-Girl; Triple; MJY1288; potlatch; Shermy; ...

Brain trust ping! Ideas desperately needed.


2 posted on 02/06/2008 3:45:36 AM PST by ovrtaxt (The GOP is no place for a nice Conservative like you.)
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To: ovrtaxt

I’m not going to decide whether to jump ship until McCain names his VP. If it’s someone I would have supported for President, I will probably go with McCain on the Chuck Norris theory that you’re really voting for McCain’s VP to be President.


3 posted on 02/06/2008 3:47:23 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: ovrtaxt
Can you say, "Welcome President Hillary"?

Its going to happen.

4 posted on 02/06/2008 3:48:04 AM PST by TennTuxedo
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To: Brilliant

You have a high tolerance for pain. Good luck with that.


5 posted on 02/06/2008 3:50:40 AM PST by ovrtaxt (The GOP is no place for a nice Conservative like you.)
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To: Brilliant

Why does a VP matter? The VP has no power. A McCain VP put there to somehow appease some people is meaningless.

McCain will make sure his VP is powerless.


6 posted on 02/06/2008 3:51:00 AM PST by dforest (Don't even ask me to vote for McCain, Rudy, or Huckster.)
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To: TennTuxedo

Yes probably.

Any constructive ideas?


7 posted on 02/06/2008 3:51:08 AM PST by ovrtaxt (The GOP is no place for a nice Conservative like you.)
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To: Brilliant

I concur Brilliant; I’m certain that McCain will be forced to pick a strong and young conservative for the bottom of the ticket. The big question is who could it be. I anticipate that most conservatives, who say they won’t vote for McCain, may change their minds and vote for the bottom of the ticket instead of the top of the ticket. BUT, McCain will have to be smart enough to pick a solid conservative...someone like John Thune or ???


8 posted on 02/06/2008 3:51:14 AM PST by Laverne
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To: All

I won’t vote for McCain.


9 posted on 02/06/2008 3:52:39 AM PST by Cindy
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Everyone needs to take a big deep breath and calm down.


10 posted on 02/06/2008 3:52:56 AM PST by Dog
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To: Brilliant
I’m with you. I will even vote McCain if he picked Huckabee if Hillary is nominated by the Dems. If Obama gets the nod and its McCain/Huckabee I will be hoping for a 3rd party candidate. The same goes if if he picks Lindsey Graham.
11 posted on 02/06/2008 3:53:30 AM PST by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: indylindy

True, but he’s an old guy who suffered a lot physically. His VP choice is thus very important.


12 posted on 02/06/2008 3:54:52 AM PST by King of Florida (A little government and a little luck are necessary in life, but only a fool trusts either of them.)
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To: indylindy

So? McCain is not in the greatest of health. He has fought pretty bad cancer already. His VP is important.


13 posted on 02/06/2008 3:54:54 AM PST by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: ovrtaxt
There is indeed no where to go for the conservatives of America. I am sorely disappointed but I have believed for years now that the GOP would follow after the Marxist left wing of America as the years went on and so they have. History teaches us that as things get older they tend to corruption, atrophy and anarchy and history always repeats itself.
The conservative voter has been handed their hats and put out of the GOP, the GOP has abandoned the principles of conservatism and has become Marxist lite.
It may be time for a third party conservative movement, much as you can not clean up a barrel of rotten apples but must destroy it and start again, so it is with conservatives at this point of time.
14 posted on 02/06/2008 3:54:55 AM PST by kindred (The GOP is the proverbial barrel of rotten apples, vote Alan Keyes, a conservative.)
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To: Dog

This isn’t a panicky thing I posted. It’s been a long time coming- since 1994 in fact.

Face it- this thing is over. We need to LOOK FOWARD NOW.


15 posted on 02/06/2008 3:54:57 AM PST by ovrtaxt (The GOP is no place for a nice Conservative like you.)
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To: indylindy
McCain will make sure his VP is powerless

Absolutely, this is about John McCain and only John McCain. he will never share the stage or put anyone in a position to upstage him with coherent thought or action.

With the Clintons you get two, with McCain you get two, too...Johnny and his Ego, they are already legacy building.

16 posted on 02/06/2008 3:54:59 AM PST by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and apologize for nothing.....except not doing it sooner!)
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To: ovrtaxt

I have been pondering this also and have not been able to get wrapped around it yet.

I changes my party affiliation a few years ago to the “Constitution Party” in protest.

Beyond that, I see no clear alternative for conservatives.

I am now seriously considering covering my assets to protect them from upcoming oppressive tax increases (theft) as I am nearing retirement and don’t want to lose it.

I will not vote for any of the present candidates.


17 posted on 02/06/2008 3:55:27 AM PST by WorkerbeeCitizen (I understand HOW: I do not understand WHY)
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To: WorkerbeeCitizen

I will vote for McCain even though I’ve posted here and said that I can’t? Why? The only issue that matters is keeping the savages at bay. If we don’t do that, we won’t have a country at all. If John McCain is the nominee, I will gladly vote for him because I believe he will nuke the savages if needed.
Beyond that, I’ll continue to work for the conservative cause, and keep hope alive for my children.

I will not let any president, especially a democrat president define who I am, ever. I lived through Carter, I lived through Clinton, I can live through the worst they have to throw at us.

Let’s not screw ourselves by sitting out the election in November.


18 posted on 02/06/2008 3:55:56 AM PST by rightandproudofit (No one defines me but me. Not Hillary, not Obama, not even McCain!)
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To: WorkerbeeCitizen
I am now seriously considering covering my assets to protect them from upcoming oppressive tax increases (theft) as I am nearing retirement and don’t want to lose it.

There are good banks in Cayman, and good land in Costa Rica.

19 posted on 02/06/2008 3:57:02 AM PST by ovrtaxt (The GOP is no place for a nice Conservative like you.)
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To: ovrtaxt

I am closely watching FR for that exact reason. I’m just watching for information on where to go.

I will not, under ANY circumstances, ever vote for McCain. Yesterday, when he lied about Romney denigrating Bob Dole’s military service was the final straw that convinced me that the man is NO DIFFERENT than Hillary. He will lie at the drop of a hat.

Ann Coulter has been vindicated... McCain is too stupid to figure out that he has been caught in another lie.

I someone comes up with a conservative migration ping list, I’d like to be on it.


20 posted on 02/06/2008 3:57:32 AM PST by PalmettoMason (CRAm member-- (Conservative Republicans Against mcCain) Think you're entitled to my vote? CRAm It!)
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