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2/2/08 | tomnbeverly

Posted on 02/03/2008 4:58:36 AM PST by tomnbeverly

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To: tomnbeverly
You are right, but it is hopeless. Men are free to be hysterics and hold insane grudges. It will marginalize conservatives for a decade, but it is going to happen. There is no more sense in trying to talk people out of it than in expecting one more sensible leading editorial will make all dems into republicans. It is an identity thing. People have bought into the leftist totalitarian politics lie, are partisans first, and seek religious redemption within politics. It is crazy, but it is the characteristic crazy of our time. Conservatives who are only conservatives because they bought that line, not from basic temperment and a basic contempt for politics as such, are not immune to it.
321 posted on 02/03/2008 11:06:43 AM PST by JasonC
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To: tomnbeverly
Maybe this will help ...


322 posted on 02/03/2008 11:07:04 AM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Ronin
There was nothing wrong with Bob Dole. He was an honorable man and way better than Clinton. He lost, the people didn't choose the better man. That may have been predictable and therefore he may have been a forseeably weak candidate. But he was a decent man and does not deserve this ridiculous slander.
323 posted on 02/03/2008 11:08:06 AM PST by JasonC
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To: tomnbeverly

McCain

Voted against Bush tax cuts twice (only 2GOP / with Lincoln Chafee)
…stated due to “tax cuts for the rich” typical liberal class warfare
Voted for Ruth Bader Ginsberg…
…but formed Gang 14 to prevent Bush’s appointments
McCain - Feingold : against free political speech hurt GOP
Voted against ANWAR drilling
Supports Gore’s radical Global Warming approach
McCain - Kennedy amnest for illegal immigrants
Against Arizona Prop200 requireing ID to vote/collect welfare (passed with 46%Hispanics)
Open borders advocate/advisor VincenteFox Juan Hernandez in campaign
Close Gitmo, allow POW US court access
Supports 50cent has tax hike for global warming
Against Reagan’s Freedom Fighters in Nicarauga / El Salvador
Tie the hands of the CIA be legally redefining waterboarding as torture
Hasn’t been to CPAC in many, many years
Also NoShows: Club for Growth, Heritage Foundation, but he did appear on David Letterman (not important, but too funny not to include here lol


324 posted on 02/03/2008 11:08:12 AM PST by rbmillerjr
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To: Glenn
You daren't say much bad about Bush lest you be banned, eh? So it will be if McCain carries the GOP mantle.

Are you claiming President Bush is never criticized on FR?

Have you not read the threads where FReepers express frustration over the border agents who are in prison?

How about the threads that discuss his "Global Warming" comments?

325 posted on 02/03/2008 11:08:31 AM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: tomnbeverly
Sorry I don’t subscribe...

You may not subscribe... but you'll pay for the next 20 years.

326 posted on 02/03/2008 11:08:52 AM PST by johnny7 ("But that one on the far left... he had crazy eyes")
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To: Palladin
How about out of utter spite and contempt for you and those who speak as you do about such things? That'd be more than enough reason.
327 posted on 02/03/2008 11:11:13 AM PST by JasonC
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To: Grizzled Bear
Are you claiming President Bush is never criticized on FR?

I'm saying there is a line you do not cross.

328 posted on 02/03/2008 11:11:23 AM PST by Glenn (Free Venezuela!)
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To: mad_as_he$$
Every House scandal?

Hardly.

The general public didn't figure out what the scandal part was then, and they sure won't now.

Newt can build a major political party just on the strength of the divorced people in the country ~ and that's the only rap the Dems have ever shown any inclination to lay on him and pursue for any length of time.

329 posted on 02/03/2008 11:14:58 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: tomnbeverly
"Which of us is the real Conservative?"

It surely isn't you. Just because you can pronounce Ronald Reagan doesn't mean a damn thing. If you need to invoke your take on what RR would think of today's politics, you don't have much of an argument.

Listen, if it is your desire to support the republican party rather than conservative values, that is your right. But to log into a conservative, not republican, forum and start telling conservatives that they are not real because they don't see things your way, is just as insane as doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

Enjoy your stay on the republican plantation, blindly supporting anybody with an "R" following their name on the ballot.

330 posted on 02/03/2008 11:18:19 AM PST by JustaDumbBlonde
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To: mad_as_he$$
The reference you gave concerns events that happened just before Newt led the Republican party to a total takeover of the House of Representatives and the US Senate.

The public probably appreciated his candor and ability to explain rationally what he'd done ~ like OVERDRAWN HIS CHECKING ACCOUNT!

Hey, that was probably worth 5 million additional votes on the Republican side in the Fall elections that year!

Add the "overdrawn account" folks to the "divorced folks" and there you have it ~ a landslide.

331 posted on 02/03/2008 11:18:27 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

I didn’t say libertarian I said Conservative... If you think Mitt Romney is more Conservative than John McCain then you are a Fool...


332 posted on 02/03/2008 11:22:24 AM PST by tomnbeverly (If Islamic Jihad is an existential threat then the candidate that should be POTUS is a no brainer.)
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To: tomnbeverly

“We should never have to tear one candidates record down to promote the other. For that reason alone Ronald Reagan would be turning over in his grave.”

Mercy, are you trying to tell us Reagan and his people didn’t use others BAD records against them?

And NO, McCain is NOT a decent human being. He’s destroying any good Reagan or any conservative has done.


333 posted on 02/03/2008 11:24:09 AM PST by AuntB (" DON'T LET THE PRESS PICK YOUR CANDIDATE!" Mrs. Duncan Hunter 1/5/08)
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To: tomnbeverly

Isn’t it a bit early to be blaming conservatives for the loss of the election?

This usually is invoked in the last month.

The logic goes thusly:

By not nominating anyone with any conservative credentials, the moderates/liberals presently running the GOP can blame conservatives for not voting for the GOP candidate in order to divert attention from their failure to advance a platform that is conservative, or that a majority of people will vote for.

It’s really a brilliant strategy that keeps the limp-wristed types in power election after election....all the way until the GOP becomes irrelevant.


334 posted on 02/03/2008 11:24:29 AM PST by RFEngineer
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To: rbmillerjr

Well, we’ll just have to respectfully agree to disagree. You believe the Democratic landslide will occur with McCain (despite the fact that current polling data shows McCain defeating Hillary and Mitt losing to her), and I KNOW it will happen with Mitt heading the ticket!


335 posted on 02/03/2008 11:27:17 AM PST by meandog (Please pray for future President McCain--day minus 331 and counting! <b>Vote Mitt=Get Billary!))
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To: JasonC

“There was nothing wrong with Bob Dole. He was an honorable man and way better than Clinton. He lost, the people didn’t choose the better man.”

You forget things about Dole. Like Thanksgiving weekend when the senate had all gone home except 4 of them...2 dems, 2 republicans (Dole, Hatfield). They called a quorum and pushed through the Brady bill when they couldn’t get it passed with a full senate.

Dole was a traitor and so is McCain.


336 posted on 02/03/2008 11:28:02 AM PST by AuntB (" DON'T LET THE PRESS PICK YOUR CANDIDATE!" Mrs. Duncan Hunter 1/5/08)
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To: keeper53

Look on the bright side! Romney won Maine and it was a landslide! Thought Maine was supposed to be so very liberal?

Another uplifting thought. In California, the registered Independents can not vote in the Republican primary. They can vote for Hillary or Obama. So now we will get to see whom the California Republicans choose. Here’s hoping it is Romney over McCain!

This race and our chance to stop McCain is not over! Super Tuesday conservative voters will stop McCAin by voting for Romney. I believe they now understand that a McCain nomination insures Hillary will win the White House. They will not select Amnesty McCain the MSM chosen candidate!


337 posted on 02/03/2008 11:29:51 AM PST by seekthetruth
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To: tomnbeverly

To JustADumbBlonde...”I didn’t say libertarian I said Conservative... If you think Mitt Romney is more Conservative than John McCain then you are a Fool...”

It is amazing how the establishment GOP resort to liberal Dem attacks when voters don’t agree with the intelligencia of our failed GOP leaders. “We know what is best for you minions, come here to this cliff.”

So, McCain is now a conservative ?lol
McCain

Voted against Bush tax cuts twice (only 2GOP / with Lincoln Chafee)
…stated due to “tax cuts for the rich” typical liberal class warfare
Voted for Ruth Bader Ginsberg…
…but formed Gang 14 to prevent Bush’s appointments
McCain - Feingold : against free political speech hurt GOP
Voted against ANWAR drilling
Supports Gore’s radical Global Warming approach
McCain - Kennedy amnest for illegal immigrants
Against Arizona Prop200 requireing ID to vote/collect welfare (passed with 46%Hispanics)
Open borders advocate/advisor VincenteFox Juan Hernandez in campaign
Close Gitmo, allow POW US court access
Supports 50cent has tax hike for global warming
Against Reagan’s Freedom Fighters in Nicarauga / El Salvador
Tie the hands of the CIA be legally redefining waterboarding as torture
Hasn’t been to CPAC in many, many years
Also NoShows: Club for Growth, Heritage Foundation, but he did appear on David Letterman


338 posted on 02/03/2008 11:30:21 AM PST by rbmillerjr
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To: Tribune7

We can’t stay home. There’s a lot more at stake than just the Presidency. I plan to go and either vote third party or write in at the top, and vote for all the Republicans on the down ballot races. We’re going to need all the Pubbies we can get to counter either Hillobama or McCain.


339 posted on 02/03/2008 11:35:36 AM PST by LadyNavyVet (I don't vote for Democrats, and that includes John McCain.)
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To: muawiyah
Again, dealing in facts - no biggie. Can you imagine the field day the MSM and BC will have with it? It will stick to because he is an evil Rep.
340 posted on 02/03/2008 11:36:24 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (John McCain - The Manchurian Candidate?)
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