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Conservatives Fighting Romney
Race42008 ^ | 2/2/2008 | Billy Valentine

Posted on 02/02/2008 10:37:00 AM PST by Brices Crossroads

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To: Count of Monte Logan

Yup, the Mormon couldn’t wait to raise the Mormon card ... ‘look at me, I’m a victim’. Getting rather transparent that you and your Mittiac sycophants have been playing this card for political purposes for months now. You’ve become a laughing stock.


41 posted on 02/02/2008 11:03:42 AM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Brices Crossroads
In 2000, McCain floated the idea of naming Warren Rudman as his Attorney General. And yes, that was after it was clear that the Souter pick was a disaster. (-link-)

btw, McCain also voted in favor of confirming Ruth Bader Ginsberg.

When it comes to abortion, the only power the President has is to select judges who are strict constructionalists. Only with that can the battle even begin. The day that Roe is overturned, abortion will still be legal in all 50 states. It is only then that the fight for life in each of our states can have a fair chance of success. With a McCain nomination, that process will again be delayed for decades.

42 posted on 02/02/2008 11:03:51 AM PST by Hoodat (The whole point of the Conservative Movement is to gain converts, not demonize them.)
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To: redangus
He also supported the surge in illegals

Worth repeating!!!!

43 posted on 02/02/2008 11:04:37 AM PST by MadelineZapeezda (Madeline Albright ZaPeezda)
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To: Count of Monte Logan

Absolutely lie. McCain was never FOR the Surge. That is a myth being spread by the McCainacs to hide his real record on Iraq.

McCain was the father of the Congressional Baker Comittee who’s “political solution” was to work out a political deal with Iran and Syria to get us out of Iraq. The only reason McCain is now fraudlently trying to claim credit for The Surge is because it is working.

McCain had NOTHING to do with The Surge strategy. If we had followed McCain’s direction in 2004, we would of sent 250,000 US troops to Iraq and Americanzised the war. That would of been a disaster.

The reason the Surge is working is because Bush ignored gas bag McCain’s posturing and stuck with the plan to get the Iraqis to stand on their own two feet. The reason the Surge is working is because we had Iraqi forces to Surge with. if we had followed McCain’s stupid “Boots on the Ground” plan we would not have an Iraqi forces to back up!


44 posted on 02/02/2008 11:05:54 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Instead of "Swift Boaters", 2008 Democrats have "Short Bussers"-Freeper Sax)
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To: Maelstorm

Do the McCainiacs actually think John McCain is ever going to veto anything sent him by his good buddies Russ Feingold, Ted Kennedy or John Kerry? HE AUTHORED LEGISLATION WITH TWO OF THEM AND WAS GOING TO BE THE VP CANIDATE WITH THE OTHER!

These “Party Uber Alles” types really have got to try thinking instead of emoting for a change. A politician who is 10% on your side, 90% on the other is still your enemy no matter what party label you slap on him.

No Conservative should ever consider voting for McCain. We worry the others will betray us. We know McCain will betray us. Look at his record for the last 8 years? Been nothing but betrayal and obstruction.

With any of the other candidates we have a seat at the table. We know John McCain will never listen to us on anything.

With McCain Conservatives would get maybe 10%. That would not be worth the enormous long term damage McCain would do to both the GOP and the Conservative Movement. With a McCain Administration we would have a mis- labeled “Conservative” Administration pushing Democrat Party polices while the GOP took all the political fall out of the consequences of those disastrous decisions.

Just what could Conservatives expect to get from a McCain Administration? Based on McCain’s record for the last 8 years, we could expect to get tough talk on foreign policy and spending with no real action on any issue.

Do people forget the Democrats trying to get McCain to flip party’s in Jan 2006? Forget that Dems wanted McCain as their VP candidate in 2004?

How quickly the supposed Conservatives for McCain forget McCain’s political record. From Tax-cuts to the War to Judges McCain’s whole strategy has been to be as Liberal as possible and stay in the GOP.

Politically there is very little difference between Hillary and McCain. You get minor variations on this and that issue, like abortion, but over all McCain and Clinton share the same political philosophical outlook

McCain has done nothing for the Conservative movement in 8 years. While talking a good game on spending, he has done nothing. This is particularly galling considering all the issues CFR, Judges, Immigration Anti Torture Amendment-Gang of 14 etc etc etc issues which McCain was more then willing to throw his weight behind an issues to get legislation passed.

McCain has actively worked against the Conservatives on Social issues, on the WOT, on Iraq, on Gitmo, against Rummy, on Immigration and on Judges, on Global Warming etc etc etc etc etc. McCain has far more in common with Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama then he does with any Conservative.

Funny how the Talking Heads miss this. Out of 49 Republican Senators McCain has been ranked 45th by the American Conservative Union for his voting record!

McCain would be the worse of both worlds. A mislabeled “Conservative” Administration actively advancing the Democrat Party’s agenda while knifing Conservatives in the back daily. You could even count on a McCain Administration appointing Leftist Judges in order to avoid fighting with the Democrats in the US Senate.

Tough on Foreign Policy? You think Mr “Close Gitmo and extend the same legal protections US Citizens have to the terrorists” McCain is going to have a “tough” foreign policy? The father of the Baker Commission and the plan to surrender Iraq to Iran and Syria is “strong on Foreign Policy”? Not based on his recored. The wrost thing that a McCain Administration would do is it would fracture the few remaining GOP Congress critters into pro and anti McCain factions. McCain would be the worst of all world politically for the Conservatives.

At least with a Democrat Leftist Administration, as opposed to a McCain Leftist with a GOP Label Administration, the Democrats would get all the political fall out of their disastrous political decisions and the GOP would unite in fighting them. The worst of all possible worlds for Conservatives in 2008 would be McCain getting elected Presiden


45 posted on 02/02/2008 11:07:18 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Instead of "Swift Boaters", 2008 Democrats have "Short Bussers"-Freeper Sax)
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To: Maelstorm

Do the McCainiacs actually think John McCain is ever going to veto anything sent him by his good buddies Russ Feingold, Ted Kennedy or John Kerry? HE AUTHORED LEGISLATION WITH TWO OF THEM AND WAS GOING TO BE THE VP CANIDATE WITH THE OTHER!

These “Party Uber Alles” types really have got to try thinking instead of emoting for a change. A politician who is 10% on your side, 90% on the other is still your enemy no matter what party label you slap on him.

No Conservative should ever consider voting for McCain. We worry the others will betray us. We know McCain will betray us. Look at his record for the last 8 years? Been nothing but betrayal and obstruction.

With any of the other candidates we have a seat at the table. We know John McCain will never listen to us on anything.

With McCain Conservatives would get maybe 10%. That would not be worth the enormous long term damage McCain would do to both the GOP and the Conservative Movement. With a McCain Administration we would have a mis- labeled “Conservative” Administration pushing Democrat Party polices while the GOP took all the political fall out of the consequences of those disastrous decisions.

Just what could Conservatives expect to get from a McCain Administration? Based on McCain’s record for the last 8 years, we could expect to get tough talk on foreign policy and spending with no real action on any issue.

Do people forget the Democrats trying to get McCain to flip party’s in Jan 2006? Forget that Dems wanted McCain as their VP candidate in 2004?

How quickly the supposed Conservatives for McCain forget McCain’s political record. From Tax-cuts to the War to Judges McCain’s whole strategy has been to be as Liberal as possible and stay in the GOP.

Politically there is very little difference between Hillary and McCain. You get minor variations on this and that issue, like abortion, but over all McCain and Clinton share the same political philosophical outlook

McCain has done nothing for the Conservative movement in 8 years. While talking a good game on spending, he has done nothing. This is particularly galling considering all the issues CFR, Judges, Immigration Anti Torture Amendment-Gang of 14 etc etc etc issues which McCain was more then willing to throw his weight behind an issues to get legislation passed.

McCain has actively worked against the Conservatives on Social issues, on the WOT, on Iraq, on Gitmo, against Rummy, on Immigration and on Judges, on Global Warming etc etc etc etc etc. McCain has far more in common with Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama then he does with any Conservative.

Funny how the Talking Heads miss this. Out of 49 Republican Senators McCain has been ranked 45th by the American Conservative Union for his voting record!

McCain would be the worse of both worlds. A mislabeled “Conservative” Administration actively advancing the Democrat Party’s agenda while knifing Conservatives in the back daily. You could even count on a McCain Administration appointing Leftist Judges in order to avoid fighting with the Democrats in the US Senate.

Tough on Foreign Policy? You think Mr “Close Gitmo and extend the same legal protections US Citizens have to the terrorists” McCain is going to have a “tough” foreign policy? The father of the Baker Commission and the plan to surrender Iraq to Iran and Syria is “strong on Foreign Policy”? Not based on his recored. The wrost thing that a McCain Administration would do is it would fracture the few remaining GOP Congress critters into pro and anti McCain factions. McCain would be the worst of all world politically for the Conservatives.

At least with a Democrat Leftist Administration, as opposed to a McCain Leftist with a GOP Label Administration, the Democrats would get all the political fall out of their disastrous political decisions and the GOP would unite in fighting them. The worst of all possible worlds for Conservatives in 2008 would be McCain getting elected Presiden


46 posted on 02/02/2008 11:07:21 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Instead of "Swift Boaters", 2008 Democrats have "Short Bussers"-Freeper Sax)
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To: Ol' Sparky

Do the McCainiacs actually think John McCain is ever going to veto anything sent him by his good buddies Russ Feingold, Ted Kennedy or John Kerry? HE AUTHORED LEGISLATION WITH TWO OF THEM AND WAS GOING TO BE THE VP CANIDATE WITH THE OTHER!

These “Party Uber Alles” types really have got to try thinking instead of emoting for a change. A politician who is 10% on your side, 90% on the other is still your enemy no matter what party label you slap on him.

No Conservative should ever consider voting for McCain. We worry the others will betray us. We know McCain will betray us. Look at his record for the last 8 years? Been nothing but betrayal and obstruction.

With any of the other candidates we have a seat at the table. We know John McCain will never listen to us on anything.

With McCain Conservatives would get maybe 10%. That would not be worth the enormous long term damage McCain would do to both the GOP and the Conservative Movement. With a McCain Administration we would have a mis- labeled “Conservative” Administration pushing Democrat Party polices while the GOP took all the political fall out of the consequences of those disastrous decisions.

Just what could Conservatives expect to get from a McCain Administration? Based on McCain’s record for the last 8 years, we could expect to get tough talk on foreign policy and spending with no real action on any issue.

Do people forget the Democrats trying to get McCain to flip party’s in Jan 2006? Forget that Dems wanted McCain as their VP candidate in 2004?

How quickly the supposed Conservatives for McCain forget McCain’s political record. From Tax-cuts to the War to Judges McCain’s whole strategy has been to be as Liberal as possible and stay in the GOP.

Politically there is very little difference between Hillary and McCain. You get minor variations on this and that issue, like abortion, but over all McCain and Clinton share the same political philosophical outlook

McCain has done nothing for the Conservative movement in 8 years. While talking a good game on spending, he has done nothing. This is particularly galling considering all the issues CFR, Judges, Immigration Anti Torture Amendment-Gang of 14 etc etc etc issues which McCain was more then willing to throw his weight behind an issues to get legislation passed.

McCain has actively worked against the Conservatives on Social issues, on the WOT, on Iraq, on Gitmo, against Rummy, on Immigration and on Judges, on Global Warming etc etc etc etc etc. McCain has far more in common with Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama then he does with any Conservative.

Funny how the Talking Heads miss this. Out of 49 Republican Senators McCain has been ranked 45th by the American Conservative Union for his voting record!

McCain would be the worse of both worlds. A mislabeled “Conservative” Administration actively advancing the Democrat Party’s agenda while knifing Conservatives in the back daily. You could even count on a McCain Administration appointing Leftist Judges in order to avoid fighting with the Democrats in the US Senate.

Tough on Foreign Policy? You think Mr “Close Gitmo and extend the same legal protections US Citizens have to the terrorists” McCain is going to have a “tough” foreign policy? The father of the Baker Commission and the plan to surrender Iraq to Iran and Syria is “strong on Foreign Policy”? Not based on his recored. The wrost thing that a McCain Administration would do is it would fracture the few remaining GOP Congress critters into pro and anti McCain factions. McCain would be the worst of all world politically for the Conservatives.

At least with a Democrat Leftist Administration, as opposed to a McCain Leftist with a GOP Label Administration, the Democrats would get all the political fall out of their disastrous political decisions and the GOP would unite in fighting them. The worst of all possible worlds for Conservatives in 2008 would be McCain getting elected Presiden


47 posted on 02/02/2008 11:07:37 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Instead of "Swift Boaters", 2008 Democrats have "Short Bussers"-Freeper Sax)
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To: Brices Crossroads
How simply moronic. You must be kidding. Why would we want to watch a video from prior to the time Mitt said he converted from pro-choice to pro-life in 2005? Does that make any sense? That would be like watching a video of Ronald Reagan back when he was a democrat extolling the virtues of being a democrat and supporting democrat candidates. It is totally irrelevant and ignores all that came after that.

Allegedly, the pro-life movement wants to CONVERT people to our side, but the attitude I see here towards converts is baffling. Will they be smeared and ridiculed for the rest of their lives due to their past positions? Will they be hounded and treated as 2nd class citizens in the pro-life community even though we profess to want to convert more and more pro-choicers?

48 posted on 02/02/2008 11:07:44 AM PST by redgirlinabluestate (Unite 4 Mitt --- Stop McCain)
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To: Hoodat; Brices Crossroads

I don’t know if any of Mitt’s judges were conservative, but since only 25% of them were even registered as republican, then it is doubtful.


49 posted on 02/02/2008 11:08:24 AM PST by ansel12
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To: Brices Crossroads
I'd like to see victory in Iraq, but not at the price of surrendering our nation's borders to Mexico.

McCain has already made it plain that when it comes between U.S. citizens and illegals, he'll side with the illegals every time.

Sorry...I just can't truck with that.

Romney can be reformed. McCain thinks he's the reformation. Nufsed.

50 posted on 02/02/2008 11:09:16 AM PST by Digital Sniper (Hello, "Undocumented Immigrant." I'm an "Undocumented Border Patrol Agent.")
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To: redgirlinabluestate
The arrogance (and stupidity, frankly) is utterly baffling and I fear we turn away even more people rather than welcoming converts with open arms, hearts and minds.

Romney is the one candidate left who has a chance to win who actually is willing to use the WH bully pulpit to advance the culture of life and you oppose him?

Romney supports the overturn of Roe v Wade AND he supports the Human Life Amendment AND he opposes federal funding for embryonic stem cell research. Your other options, McCain, Obama and Hillary support federal funding and certainly will not use the Oval Office to further the pro-life cause as Mitt has promised to do.

Talk about the ultimate cutting off your nose to spite your face routine.

51 posted on 02/02/2008 11:09:39 AM PST by redgirlinabluestate (Unite 4 Mitt --- Stop McCain)
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To: Brices Crossroads

Another great video exposing the facts about Romney’s record. A few more truths about Willard the Myth.

*** Back in 2005, Romney was calling the McCain-Kennedy-Bush comprehensive immigration reform package, which btw included amnesty, “reasonable proposals”. Since that time Romney has unbelievably morphed into a Tancredo clone. Phony!

*** In 1994 Romney was trying to run to the left of Fat Ted Kennedy on the abortion issue. He says he had an epiphany a few years back and now calls himself pro-life. Yet he was still supporting a womans right to choose in 2002. Fraud!

*** Romney has stated, he would sign a federal assault weapons ban if it came to his desk. Recently, Romney said he was a lifetime hunter and supported the NRA his entire life. We now know that is BS. He joined the NRA in 2006! Liar!

*** Romney has a record of advancing homosexual rights, in a leading liberal state that has elected Ted Kennedy and John Kerry, election cycle after election cycle, decade after decade. Panderer!

*** Also, Romney has a long history of supporting campaign finance reform and restrictions even more stringent than McCain-Feingold legislation. He supported banning Political Action Committees (PACS) and called for a ten percent tax on campaign contributions, along with capping campaign spending on congressional elections. Hypocrite!

Romney’s only real accomplishment as Governor of Massachusetts was to propose the first ever statewide health care program in America. Romney wants the federal government to take over 1/7th of the US economy by shoving a version of his RomneyCare down the throats of the American people. Mandates, subsidies and regulations aren’t what the US health care system needs. That is the first step on the road to socialized medicine. Liberal!

Romney has a lousy track record on the issues. An unconservative track record. People who have chosen to follow him, are selling out to a cult candidate. Nothing conservative or constitutional about Willard the Myth.


52 posted on 02/02/2008 11:10:21 AM PST by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Willard, conservatives don't vote for liberals. GO NOBODY!)
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To: redgirlinabluestate

Well said, RG. And I’m with you in supporting Romney and stopping McCain. Anyone claiming to be pro-life can in no way support McCain. His actions betray his pro-abortion stance every step of the way.


53 posted on 02/02/2008 11:11:14 AM PST by Digital Sniper (Hello, "Undocumented Immigrant." I'm an "Undocumented Border Patrol Agent.")
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To: Brices Crossroads

McCain is going to cost Republicans huge numbers in the House and Senate.

You had better think about that instead. McCain will also lose the election.

Where the hell do you think we will be then?

(I am not just pro-life, I am very anti-abortion.)


54 posted on 02/02/2008 11:14:21 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: ansel12

Selecting judges in Massachusetts is a bit different from choosing judges nationwide. There aren’t many conservative candidates in Massachusetts. Not many Republicans either.


55 posted on 02/02/2008 11:15:19 AM PST by Hoodat (The whole point of the Conservative Movement is to gain converts, not demonize them.)
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To: Digital Sniper

Agreed.

A loss in Iraq is insignificant compared to open-borders Johnny’s plan to convert the USA in Mexico Norte.


56 posted on 02/02/2008 11:15:46 AM PST by mike-zed
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To: Brices Crossroads

This year’s race is between the Socialists (Dems) and the Democrats (Republicans). I really thinking about sitting this one out.


57 posted on 02/02/2008 11:17:07 AM PST by sbhitchc (Now go to your room and don't come out until dinner)
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To: sbhitchc

“I don’t think I need to tell you, that there are jobs that Americans will not do. I don’t think I have to tell you that there are the backbone of our economy... [audience member says ‘pay’em the right wages’]... I’ve heard that statement before... my friends, I’ll offer anybody here $50 an hour if you’ll go pick lettuce in Yuma this season and pick for the whole season. Okay? Sign up. You sign up and you’ll be there for the whole season - the whole season. Okay? Not just one day. Because you can’t do it, my friend.”
~ Sen. John McCain, April 4, 2006, speaking to several hundred working class Americans at an AFL-CIO’s Building and Construction Trades event in Michigan about the need for 20 million uneducated illegal aliens.

Every:
* 16 seconds an illegal alien crosses the border
* 4 minutes an illegal alien commits a sex-crime
* 6 hours someone is killed by an illegal alien
THIS ISN’T IMMIGRATION - IT’S AN INVASION!


58 posted on 02/02/2008 11:18:42 AM PST by Comparative Advantage
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To: upsdriver
You are wrong. There is a huge difference. Romney opposes amnesty. McCain supports it. Once all of those illegals become citizens, and a majority of them register as democrats, conservatives will probably never win another major election in our lifetimes.

Romney is supported by Tancredo and THIS GUY and they will not allow conservatism to die and the Reagan coalition to be thrown under the bus. McCain will.

59 posted on 02/02/2008 11:19:15 AM PST by redgirlinabluestate (Unite 4 Mitt --- Stop McCain)
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To: Brices Crossroads
Great video. It discussed his pro-abortion, pro-homosexual rights, and liberal judicial appointments.

It left off his gun banning and confiscating, 'assault' weapon banning, anti-gun record too - but hey, there is so much about Romney that anathema to Conservatives.


60 posted on 02/02/2008 11:19:28 AM PST by SkyPilot
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