Is it legitimate?
just watch the videos
yes it does look legit - Sampley is the same guy with Vietnam Vets against Kerry
Yes, I believe it all had to do with a brother-in-law’s extensive business interests in Vietnam.
I think this will backfire. The guy was in the Hanoi Hilton for Pete’s sake. I don’t think his heroism is questionable. There are plenty of questions about his conservatism to take up the slack.
“Stop hiding behind your fabricated “War Hero” persona”
I don’t think McCain has called himself a war hero. He was a pilot that got shot down and became a POW that tried to follow the code of conduct. Other people ramp up the war hero persona, usually those that support him.
In essence, without looking at a bunch of mpegs and testimoney, what DID the 1991-93 testimony reveal?
Is there a generic ‘VietNam vets against...’ group, that just fills in the blanks as it sees fit?
Can we assume he really meant,
"You know we can use declassified government documents to prove your collaborations?"
JUST TEN of the 100s of REASONS
NOT TO SUPPORT MCCAIN
(1) McCain gave military secrets to the Viet Cong. Which he admitted to in his own book.
(2) McCain made radio announcements for the Viet Cong telling American sailors and soldiers not to fight and to give up.
(3) McCain cheated on his wife with more than one woman and admitted it.
(4) McCain left his wife when she was sickly and needed him most.
(5)McCain repeatedly mistreated the POW-MIAs’ wives and families and activists on many occasions.
(6) McCain did all he could to normalize US-VIET NAM Relations in opposition to most US veterans groups.
(7) McCain signed that death warrant for any and all living US POW-MIAs in VIET NAM by normalizing relations.
(8) McCain was heavily involved in the Keating 5.
(9) McCain did nothing about Clinton’s Treason of selling NUKES to the Chinese for ten million in illegal Communist Chinese Campaign money... Even though he was in the unique position to do something about it as the Chairman of the Senate Commerce Committee.
(10) McCain’s so-called “Campaign Finance Reform” Bill is totally unconstitutional and would stop free speech..... even religious speech!
I don't want McCain to be President because of the Keating 5, because of his opposition to tax cuts, because of McCain-Feingold, because of his age, because of his lack of leadership experience, because of his noted thin skin, because of his blowing off of Conservatives just to be considered "cool" by the Washington elites, etc.
I’m another VietNam vet who will not support McLame but my dislike for McLame has nothing to do with his war record.
McLame is a RINO, has not supported our men and women in uniform today, is one of the “gang of 14” who betrayed President Bush and ambushed legislation for fighting terrorism, etc, etc.
McLame is not a conservative. In fact as previously mentioned as a running mate for Hillary, does not have many redeeming political values, IMHO.
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Does anybody know where a copy of this "mailer" can be seen or know what is says? I went to theweb site and did not see it. Did I miss something?
Tulsa Ramjet wrote: "Other people ramp up the war hero persona ...". But you know what? McCain does not publicly dispute this status ... he basks in the limelight when someone calls him that ... watch the endorsement by Arnold yesterday and when Arnold mentions McCain as a HERO he beams at the words. He used his POW experience in his Christmas campaing ad.
This guy is scum!
I am confused. From what I have read, the POWs that were actually with McCain all attest to his bravery under extreme torture which has left him crippled. I have read that he was excellent at giving misinformation, and held up as well as it seems anyone possibly can. In addition, I believe that he refused early release (I have never heard this disputed), which was offered to him for propaganda value (his dad being an admiral). So as far as I have read, with the exception of intercepted “Charlie” propaganda, posted on the above site, which I am disinclined to give much credence to, he did not collaborate with the Vietnamese as a POW.
I ask the following, in sincere desire to be informed: why would he collaborate instead of just leaving? He was sorely in need of medical attention the majority of his five years there. Are these folks asserting that he stayed in a festering prison fighting dissentary and try to heal broken bones because he truly sympathized with the Vietnamese cause? I am rather incredulous at that, so I am asking any informed freeper without hysterics to clarify me if I require it on this point.
Now, on to the 1992 hearings issue, because it seems that that is the sites primary meaning by “collaboration”. I watched some of these videos, and am personally torn. On one hand, I have tremendous respect for the military, and desire closure for the families of missing soldiers. On the other hand, I have heard arguments that the greater good was accomplished by moving forward with diplomatic relations and trying to put the past behind us so as to reassert freedom and influence in a region where we had lost it to the powers of communism. That argument is essentially that it is highly unlikely that any American POWs were alive by the early nineties, and we were able to strengthen the victory of the cold war by reasserting ourselves in the region.
I watch these videos on the hearings, and two things (I am just being honest) sort of run through my mind simultaneously: 1.) I am angry for these people and the Americans that we lost. America’s lack of follow-up on soldiers left behind is unforgivable and disgusts me to the core. It is horribly unjust to the servicemen and their poor families left without closure 2.) Some of these people sound and look like UFO conspiracy theorists. I am sorry but that’s kind of what pops in my head.
So I am admittedly less informed than I would like to be, and am seeking good sources of info on the subject of the hearings... ones that are relatively objective (not necessarily neutral, just objective). Can anyone point me in the right direction?
Is McCain a war hero?
By Vietnam era definitions, maybe. By historic definitions, NO.
Maybe someone could quickly provide us with a list of great POW war heroes from WWI, WWII and Korea.
I think the Vietnam POWs became substitute heroes as US involvement in that war wound down because people looked around for something to celebrate, or something to be positive about, and the return of the POWs was the only thing they could find. There was much TV coverage of their return and many recognitions, etc. Probably as a substitute for the victory parades of earlier wars.
POW survivors can be admired for many things, but I don’t think they’ve ever been called war heroes before Vietnam.
Anyone have a list from prior wars?
I am a vet too, but my beef with McCain is policy and temperament based. is service may or may not have affected that, but I personally doubt it. His ego and temperament were created long before he was captured.
JUAN MCCAIN HAS HIRED AN ADVISOR THAT ONCE WORKED FOR VICENTE FOX...WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU ABOUT HIM
IMHO, it is BS.