Vietnam Veterans Against John McCain

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[FR_addict]

http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/

Ted Sampley, a Vietnam Veteran and former Green Beret, issued a CHALLENGE to John McCain "If you can show us that the information presented in our mailer is untruthful . . . we will Stand Down" This CHALLENGE was issued during an interview with INSIDE EDITION on January 17, 2008.

John, family members of Vietnam POW/MIA(s) have been waiting for more then 14 years for you to have the courage to face them eye to eye in front of the American Public - Here is your opportunity for some "STRAIGHT TALK." Stop hiding behind your fabricated "War Hero" persona. You know we can prove your collaborations with declassified government documents . . . It is time for the American people to get to know the REAL John McCain - the John McCain that the POW/MIA families witnessed during the 1991-93 US Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs .

Bring It On John! HERE IS OUR NUMBER 252-527-0442

[chuckles]

I’m with you and colorado tanker. We should leave his service alone. He did his job the best he could. There is plenty of stuff to keep him from the presidency without going there. Kerry, OTOH, went to Paris, undermined the troops, and betrayed his country without having his limbs broken.

People that weren't there in Hanoi, can't possibly know what he went through and have some sort of comic book notion of what they would do in the same situation. Going after McCain's war record is a BIG loser, IMO.

[FrankR]

Maybe mcstain hasn't called himself "War Hero", but he's sure as hell basking in the glow of it.

I don't know what heroical about getting shot down, and captured, but there is an agenda afoot and the MSM has a vested interest in getting mscstain nominated, as it will almost insure their sweetheart (hitlery)the presidency.

We can argue the meaning of "war hero" forever, but it's beyond me how any of his experience qualifies him to be POTUS. He's too easily pissed off, and his skin is way too thin to be President. And I won't even mention all of the GOP back stabbing he's done. He's a nut-job.

[oh8eleven]

As a Vietnam vet, I watched with great joy as our POWs were finally released. In the ensuing months, I distinctly recall the "hub-bub" as word leaked out that some POWs had collaborated with the enemy.
But in order to finally put this war behind us, the decision was made not to investigate, or at least, not to do so publicly. I also recall some POWS being quite upset and vocal about that decision.

[Nachum]

He doesn't have the backbone to confront either of them and Hillary will probably take him down in a landslide

Which would be the best thing for the Republican Party..

[cinives]

I call McCain a survivor, not a hero. Survival is good, but he did collaborate.

Other POWs died, but McCain got repeated hospital treatments that others did not.

While I have never been in that position and hope to God I never will be, he is not the hero he’d like you to think he is.

[Freedom'sWorthIt]

I don’t know if McCain collaborated with the enemy while imprisoned in Viet Nam.

But I had heard this “rumor” years ago. Not sure exactly where.

But it is his actions in the US Senate which make me vow to never ever vote for him.

His “closeness” to Hillary, is another thing, and his endorsement by the same MSM who endorse Hitlery is another.

IMHO, he was preselected by the Dems and their communist/Jihadist backers as “their pick” to be Hillary’s opponent. Their plan has worked well. They obviously recruited thousands of Dems to find ways to vote for McCain in the primaries. It is THOSE VOTES that have made him the “leading Republican” candidate. IN other words, the “fix” has been in.

Did McCain know about this “fix” before he ran (again) this time for President??? My bet is that he did.

What is his payoff? I don’t know but I bet there will be one.

From his participation as one of the Keating five - I believe McCain is “up for sale” and his “supporters” know it and have him in their “employ”.

I can not possibly support either McCain - and, certainly not Hillary nor Obama = all traitors to this country and all corrupt.

[Vigilanteman]

I agree with you and I know nobody who personally served with John McCain. He was a good soldier (sailor-airman, actually) and a good senator. Ronald Reagan made no mistake helping him start his political career. He was a good representative of the people until sometime in the 1980's when things begin to go off-track.

Perhaps it was too much time in Washington. Perhaps it was the power and fawning which goes along with the office. But somewhere about that time he begin to lose his grip on reality and it has only gotten worse since. Giving him more of what he craves most (power) is not going to help the situation any. Neither is diminishing what he did before things begin to go off track.

[Leisler]

" simply and unfortunate turn of events"

Oh yeah, three ejections, one jet fuel and armed on a the aircraft carrier deck, rocketed and burning, 28 combat sorties over the densest air defense in the world. No sack there. Same as peddling Book of Mormon in the mean streets of France.

[Alkhin]

I question it MuttTheHoople. You wanna know how I can? Two words : McCain-Feingold. Any man who swore to uphold the Constitution and then ACTIVELY pursued ways to abridge the Constitution and freedom of speech...specificially POLITICAL speech, is an automatic TRAITOR in my eyes and NULLIFIES any service he gave as a soldier. He spat on his own medals, just like John Kerry did...and THAT is how I can question his “patriotism”

[MPJackal]

“In essence, without looking at a bunch of mpegs and testimoney, what DID the 1991-93 testimony reveal?”

It revealed nothing. It supposedly concealed evidence that Americans were still being held in SE Asia and blocked legislation that would punish individuals that were found to have concealed information about POW’s/MIA’s.

[Bigoleelephant]

Are the troops fighting in Iraq hero's? Are all troops who fight honorably hero's? John McCain is not a hero because he was in the Hanoi Hilton. John McCain is a hero because he served his country honorably.

Having said that, I will never vote for the guy because he's not a conservative.

[cinives]

McCain plays right along with those who call him a hero, and he tries to shoot down all others who question it.

It is well-documented that he collaborated - ie he did not follow the rules of conduct and is disliked by many for that reason.

I say that having never experienced what he went thru, and I honor him for that, but to think that what he did or did not do 40 years ago is more important than his conduct in the last 40 years is just wrong.

[windcliff]

ping

[Uri’el-2012]

The guy was in the Hanoi Hilton for Pete’s sake. I don’t think his heroism is questionable. There are plenty of questions about his conservatism to take up the slack

Many of the real POW say he was not in the Honoi Hilton
but was in an apartment with two "comfort" nurses.

[stuartcr]

Odd that this info just now comes out.

[Bigoleelephant]

So all soldiers are survivors not heros? Let's just say we disagree on that. McCain isn't a hero because he was in the Hanoi Hilton. He is a hero because he stood up and fought our enemies honorbaly.

His military and political careers are two completely separate entities. Militarily, he's fine by me. Politically, he's dead to me.

[silverleaf]

The POW’s will not “swiftboat: John McCain, even though they probably could. The ones I have known over manyyears have instigated (would never come out and openly discuss) that McCain’s POW behavior was not in keeping with their brotherhood. They have kept their silence for many years now.

His Hanoi cellmate Bud Day did serve as his divorce lawyer for the swift dumping of the first Mrs McCain (loyal but crippled, aging, unattactive, and no longer useful to his career goals)

[MPJackal]

“he decided to stay a few more years even though he had the opportunity just because his dad was an admiral running the show.”

I’m sorry. How does someone tell their captors they don’t want to be released. If the Vietnamese decided to release him for some political gain, they would have done it regardless of what the prisoner said.

[Red_Devil 232]

"If you can show us that the information presented in our mailer is untruthful . . . we will Stand Down"

Does anybody know where a copy of this "mailer" can be seen or know what is says? I went to theweb site and did not see it. Did I miss something?

Tulsa Ramjet wrote: "Other people ramp up the war hero persona ...". But you know what? McCain does not publicly dispute this status ... he basks in the limelight when someone calls him that ... watch the endorsement by Arnold yesterday and when Arnold mentions McCain as a HERO he beams at the words. He used his POW experience in his Christmas campaing ad.

This guy is scum!