Posted on 01/31/2008 2:09:25 PM PST by Jim Robinson
My friends, I have to admit that I've been in a bit of a quandary since the Real Conservatives ® Thompson and Hunter dropped out of the race leaving us to to place our bets on one the four headless horsemen. But after having a day or three to sort it all out, I'm beginning to see a ray of hope.
Number one, my worst fear that the pro-abortion, pro-gay, anti-gun social liberal Rudy Giuliani might be nominated, and thereby bring an abrupt and unholy end to the pro-life conservative movement within the GOP has been allayed. His evil culture of death platform has been soundly rejected by the Republican voters. Thank God! If nothing else is gained, that alone is a huge victory for us!
And that leaves us with the unwelcome slippery task of having to determine and select the least evil of the three remaining RINOs. But wait! When choosing between evils, why not choose the good?
McCain is insane and there are many good reasons not to choose him, but I'll list just five: McCain-Feingold, McCain-Kennedy, McCain-Lieberman, the Keating 5, and the Gang of 14. No thanks. McCain is out!
Romney ran on a pro-abortion platform, is pro gay rights, is prone to BIG government solutions, promises anything to anyone for a vote, and flip-flops on important issues. Can't trust him.
Now Governor Huckabee. Could this be the good vs evil? He's a Baptist minister. A genuine 100% pro-God, pro-life, pro-family, pro-gun, Southron Christian social conservative!
And that would be my reason no. 1 to support Huckabee. He has the trust and backing of the Christian evangelicals and the support of the Bible Belt. You cannot win the presidency without the South, and I believe the pro-God, pro-life, pro-family, pro-gun, pro-America Mike Huckabee is the most likely of the three GOP hopefuls to carry the South. And that's a pretty darn good reason!
My number two reason is that he is NOT McCain (and that's a pretty darn good reason too).
Number three (and this will be a tough one for a lot of my FReeper Friends) is that he is NOT Romney.
Numbers four and five are he's NOT Hillary and NOT Obama. Oohrah!
Number six, he plays a mean bass and he's a traditional favorite at Free Republic's infamous quadrennial Inaugural Balls in Washington, DC. Perhaps we could persuade President Huckabee to drop by our ball and perform his rocking rendition of "Sweet Home Alabama!" Now, wouldn't that be a hoot!
Number seven, if we can keep Huckabee in the race all the way through, thus preventing McCain or Romney from gaining enough delegates to win the nomination, then maybe, just maybe a deadlocked convention might seek out another candidate. One who can re-unite the Reagan Coalition, save the GOP, and put us back on the conservative track. Of course, my personal favorite to be that man would be FRed Thompson.
Woo hoo!!
Let it ring out through grassroots America and on to the convention! Support life! Support the GOP! Support Huckabee! And re-draft FRed Thompson!!
Never give in, never give up, and never lose hope.
Long live the Reagan Revolution!
What a naive bunch!
Number 7 is the best reason.
Huck hasnt had nasty fights with the other candidates during debates like Romney and McCain
“God obviously puts events in the Bible to show to us mortal humans that people can and do change... that conversion to the good side is possible.”
It’s possible. I would be willing to consider voting for Flip if he admitted that he’s flip-flopped on a number of issues. AND, if he’s willing to admit he lied about being a life long conservative, that would be good first step. AND, let’s not forget the time he said, while campaigning in Iowa and New Hampshire, that he had been a hunter “pretty much all my life,” only to have to admit later he had seriously hunted on only two occasions. AND, let’s not forget that there was the endorsement Flip claimed on NBC’s “Meet the Press” that he received from the National Rifle Association while running for governor of Massachusetts in 2002, when it turned out the group had never endorsed him. Flip’s latest concession is that he only “figuratively” saw his late father, George, march with Martin Luther King Jr., something he claimed in his highly publicized speech about his Mormon faith last month. So, if he’s willing to acknowledge that he lied—and then do what JR suggests...
“As soon as Romney falls down on his knees on national TV in front of God and everyone; and repents and begs for forgiveness for all the innocent young lives that were murdered in the womb on his watch after he ran on the pro-abortion platform, then I will consider it. If the man had any integrity at all, he’d resign and spend the rest of his life and the rest of his money trying to undo some of the wrong he’s done. But not as president. That office is reserved for honest men of the highest character and integrity.”
58 posted on 01/29/2008 10:48:38 PM CST by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
...I might consider voting for him.
jimmy carter didn’t either.
we are not voting for “first wuss.”
Romney’s support for government funded abortion wasn’t 1994, it was 2002 (and quite possibly more recent than that).
And supporting funding for something isn’t lip service.
Same goes for his support of the homosexual agenda.
If he’s willing to do it because he’s in a liberal state, what do you expect him to do when faced with a Democrat controlled Congress?
And his economic “success” has been paltry.
2003 Real GDP Growth - 2.1% (U.S. Average 2.4%, Arkansas 2.7%)
2004 Real GDP Growth - 3.0% (U.S. Average 3.7%, Arkansas 4.5%)
2005 Real GDP Growth - 1.0% (U.S. Average 3.0%, Arkansas 3.4%)
A debate is an arena that requires some discipline
And Huck beats Romney and McCain hads down in that..
I think Huck will be an effective scrapper when it is necessary
A slim hope is better than none at all. Good analysis.
If you want to reverse Roe, you better vote Romney.
Otherwise, forget it.
Mitt Romney has a well proven record for pandering to liberasl. What makes you think he would change his stripes if elected pres with a democrap controlled House and Senate?
“Mitt Romney has a well proven record for pandering to liberasl.”
I don’t mean to flame but that’s a bunch of crap.
"... the ACTUAL truth concerning the existing MA law, and what the Supreme Court actually said contradicts what your are posting. It is obvious that the following information is more compelling and relevant than your (and the allegedly "neutral" party's you cite) attempts to make it appear that Romney "tried" to stop the homosexual marriage. He was never compelled to initiate anything by any court, through any court order, or through any law.
... when the Goodridge decision came forth and supposedly legalized gay marriage. The Goodridge decision didn’t even claim to legalize it. It simply declared that it was unconstitutional not to let homosexuals marry. Now there are so many problems in treating this as law. The Massachusetts says the people are not controllable by any laws not ratified by their elected representatives in the Legislature. So bang, that means right there that the Goodridge decision is not law and nobody can treat it as law.
It says also (that) the power of suspending the laws shall be exercised only by the Legislature. Well the statutes, the marriage statutes, even Goodridge, the court opinion that everyone says “legalized gay marriage,” even that opinion says that the statute doesn’t allow gay marriage. And the attorney for the homosexual plaintiffs came out of the courtroom after that ruling and said, “The only thing that remains now for gay marriage to happen is for the Legislature to change the law.”
Well that never happened. The law in Massachusetts, the statutes, ratified by the people’s elected representatives in the Legislature, still did not allow gay marriage. Well, what happened was Romney hired constitutional law professors and lawyers, Jay Sekulow and Mary Ann Glendon at Harvard (and some of this has never been reported, what’s happened), and they lined up and said he had no choice.
Now I happen to know some of these people like Mary Ann Glendon, a retired Massachusetts Supreme Court Justice, told him privately, told Romney privately, (that) he should ignore Goodridge, said it was not binding, it had no impact unless the Legislature changed the law.
But Romney had made promises to the Log Cabin Republicans. [One of those 90 promises he kept that his sycophancy tout as his record in office without details!]
189 posted on 02/01/2008 5:01:32 PM EST by nicmarlo
But Huckabee is another matter. It is evident to me that Huck is McCain's female dog.
Here's the views (read below) of Fred Thompson, who was willing to allow abortion to continue "on his watch", as you quoted Jim Robinson as saying.
Should Fred also fall down on his knees in front of God and everyone and beg forgiveness.
Somehow I suspect that many of the Romney haters on FR were perfectly willing to overlook Fred's acceptance of abortion.
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By John Rodgers, jrodgers@nashvillecitypaper.com
""Although he believes life begins at conception, Fred Thompson reiterated today in Nashville that he would allow states to continue to conduct abortions if Roe v. Wade were overturned.
“A part of what I believe all of my political life since the first day that I ran in Tennessee was that, in some areas, states were free under our constitution to do some things that even Fred Thompson disagrees with,” Thompson said after leaving a downtown fund-raiser at Waller Lansden Dortch & Davis.
“So every solution is not in Washington D.C. That’s part of my belief.”
Thompson is against an amendment to the U.S. Constitution that would ban abortion or gay marriage.""
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Amazing how people will compromise their own "non-negotiable" beliefs when it comes to supporting their favorite candidate.
You immediately marginalized yourself by playing the typical Romney campaign ‘hater’ card. The Notheastern liberal and his sycophancy will use ANY trick or deceit to get elected and you prove it everytime you play that garbage card of accusing opposition as being ‘haters’ or more to the typical Romney campaigner tactic, ‘bigot’.
Sad, but true....in my eyes.
First, the apology. I've been in sort of a slimy mood all week. No excuse, but there it is.
I took most of the day off from work and had a decent nap. Refreshed and in a good mood for the first time in days, I reread this theme. It's pretty entertaining. I must admit, when I read Sunday of the demise of those I supported, I carried the same scintilla of hope.
The convention is in Minneapolis this year. I could likely work at is if I choose, as I've been a Republican drone for a long time. If I sense a deadlocked convention, I might even ask.
Yikes!!! See how easy it is to get caught up in the daydream!!!
We seem to be plummeting toward crowning McCain. I may need to plan a wilderness campaign for convention week. Anything to get as far from here as I can.
It is simply UNTRUE that antipathy to Huckabee is about “how he talks and where he’s from “ actually I see more of that in the anti-Romney corner.
The antipathy is due to the simple fact that Huckabee is a prolife populist non-conservative. His recrod, statements and even his campaign have made that clear. He talks conservative on a few hot-button issues - but the rest, he’s pretty liberal.
His record in Arkansas reveals that he despises conservatives and their principles on taxation, spending, and illegal immigration. According to Arkansas Eagle Forum President Betsy Hagan and former Republican state senator Peggy Jeffries, once he gained power in the Governor’s office with the support of the conservatives, he alienated his conservative based, and at one point referred to them as the Shiites in the Republican Party. Hagan was a key backer and number one fan of Huckabee’s early political career. But to her dismay, Huckabee did not practice what he preached. “He was pro-life and pro-gun, but otherwise a liberal,” she says. “Just like Bill Clinton, he will charm you, but don’t be surprised if he takes a completely different turn in office.”2 It is little wonder that Huckabee’s strongest opponents are in the ranks of Arkansas conservatives. He may have fooled them once, but they will not be fooled again. And they do not want their fellow conservatives to be fooled.
Phyllis Schlafly, president of the national Eagle Forum, is even more blunt. “He destroyed the conservative movement in Arkansas, and left the Republican Party a shambles,” she says.2
There are 9 reasons (with sources and citations to prove it) why Huckabee is a terrible choice, perhaps the worst choice, in the nomination race:
1. Soft-on-crime Governor who went on a pardon/commutation spree
2. Pro-instate-tuition for illegal aliens and for other giveaways - his record on immigration stinks
3. Fiscal liberal Tax-and-spender as Governor
4. Dissembled about his record when challenged
5. Not a conservative, hurt conservatives in Ark.
6. Ethics issues, taking public money for private use
7. Flipflopper, on immigration, Cuba and other issues
8. An incompetent Jimmy Carteresque boob on foreign policy
9. Will get beaten easily by the Democrats
Of the front runner candidates, Huckabee is the worst for many different reasons:
1. Soft-on-crime, paroled violent criminals like he was God ...
http://holycoast.blogspot.com/2007/12/huckabee-was-commutation-and-pardon.html
http://www.arkansasleader.com/frontstories/st_07_21_04/huckabee5.html
http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Questions+remain+about+rapist-turned-murderer&articleId=8ca3c723-a927-4f5f-83ab-a5d2780e7911
Here’s more stuff the liberals have on him and will use at their convenience (and our inconvenience) - the pleas from the Dumond victims to please not release Dumond the rapist:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/12/10/new-documents-revealed-in_n_76186.html
Huckabee’s Willie Hortons:
http://travismonitor.blogspot.com/2007/12/huckabees-willie-hortons.html
2. Soft-on-illegals, giving in-state tuition for illegals was his “Jesus juice” ... HIS RECORD ON IMMIGRATION STINKS ...
Mike Huckabee disses Americans, Mexicans, promotes illegal immigration: http://lonewacko.com/blog/archives/005609.html
While Gov. of Arkansas, Huckabee was AGAINST proving citizenship in order to register to vote. He called those who were in favor of this “racists”... http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20050218/news_lz1e18perkins.html
Huckabee has personally attacks advocates for a bill he disagreed with as “unAmerican” and “unChristian”.
Huckabee fought hard to kill an Arkansas bill which would have cut off social services for illegal aliens. Huckabee called the bill, “anti-Christian” and “un-American”... http://www.arkansasnews.com/archive/2005/01/28/News/316347.html
“Even if benefits to people who are in the U.S illegally could be stopped, “I don’t understand how a practicing Christian can turn his back on a child from this or any other state,” Huckabee said.”
Huckabee supported in-state tuition for illegal aliens... http://www.arkansasnews.com/archive/2005/03/11/News/318458.html
Huckabee’s ‘drank different Jesus juice’ in opposition to the illegal aliens bill: http://www.diggersrealm.com/mt/archives/000718.html
“Huckabee, also a Republican and a Baptist minister, said Arkansans should be welcoming hard-working immigrants of all races. He singled out Holt, who often talks of his strong Christian beliefs, saying, “I drink a different kind of Jesus juice.”
Wallace interview on Fox, Huckster flipflops back to pro-amnesty:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,316253,00.html
3. Huckster was and is a tax-and-spend-aholic:
According to the Democrat-Gazette, “the average Arkansan’s tax burden grew from $1,969 in the fiscal year that ended June 30, 1997, to $2,902 in the fiscal year that ended June 30, 2005, including local taxes,” a whopping tax increase of 47% under Huckabee’s tenure. Tax legislation passed while Huckabee was governor totaled “a net tax increase of $505 million, a figure adjusted for inflation and economic growth,” according to the Arkansas Department of Finance and Administration.
In February of 2004, Huckabee joined with two other Democratic governors in urging Congress to reject a bill that would make the Internet access tax moratorium permanent and embrace a temporary two-year extension of the ban instead.
Every two years, the Cato Institute grades the 50 governors on fiscal stewardship. Here’s last year’s assessment of Tax Hike Mike [emphasis added]:
Thanks to a final term grade of F, Huckabee earns an overall grade of D for his entire governorship. Like many Republicans, his grades dropped the longer he stayed in office. In his first few years, he fought hard for a sweeping $70 million tax cut package that was the first broad-based tax cut in the state in more than 20 years. He even signed a bill to cut the state’s 6 percent capital gains tax—a significant pro-growth accomplishment. But nine days after being reelected in 2002, he proposed a sales tax increase to cover a budget deficit caused partly by large spending increases that he proposed and approved, including an expansion in Medicare eligibility that Huckabee made a centerpiece of his 1997 agenda. He agreed to a 3 percent income tax “surcharge” and a 25-cent cigarette tax increase. In response to a court order to increase spending on education, Huckabee proposed another sales tax increase.
http://taxhikemike.org
Just because Huck talks a good talk doesn’t make this tax-and-spender a real conservative. Huckabee’s record is one of a tax-and-spend liberal.
“One of the governor’s biggest weaknesses is his record in Arkansas. While Huckabee did cut taxes during the early years of his tenure, the fact remains that he had a net tax increase under his watch, and the increase in Government size is terrifying. 21 tax increases went into effect, increasing tax revenue by almost $890 million under Governor Huckabee. These increases include the income tax, the sales tax, a cigarette tax, and a gas tax. Not only did he raise taxes, spending “more than doubled under Huckabee. “During Huckabee’s 10 years as governor, state spending more than doubled, from $6.6 billion to $16.1 billion in the fiscal year ending June 30, 2006.” There was an increase in state spending of over 65% during his tenure, and the size of the government increased by 20%. According to the Americans for Tax Reform, the states general obligation debt went up by “almost one billion dollars.” Arkansas state tax burden was at 9.8% when Bill Clinton left office in 1992. Under Huckabee, it was at 11.1%, reaching the rank of one of the top fifteen state tax burdens.”
Huck is simply NOT a fiscal conservative at all. His record on taxes is abysmal.
http://taxhikemike.org/
4. When challenged on points #1, #2 and #3, Mike Huckabee and campaign have lied and dissembled on his real record.
Example: He claimed falsely that the Ark supreme court forced a tax increase when they did not; his explanations about the Dumond case are contradicted by the evidence; he has played the ‘amnesty isn’t amnesty’ game on immigration.
5. IS NOT A CONSERVATIVE
“[Huckabee] has zero intellectual underpinnings in the conservative movement,” says Blant Hurt, a former part owner of, and columnist for, Arkansas Business magazine. “He’s hostile to free trade, hiked sales and grocery taxes, backed sales taxes on Internet purchases, and presided over state spending going up more than twice the inflation rate.”
Randy Minton, chairman of the Arkansas chapter of Phyllis Schlafly’s national Eagle Forum, said, “We called him a pro-life, pro-gun liberal, when I was in the state legislature and he was governor.” Phyllis Schlafly herself was even more direct.
President and Founder of Eagle Forum, Phyllis Schlafly, said this about Governor Huckabee: “He destroyed the conservative movement in Arkansas, and left the Republican Party a shambles.”
6. Lousy ethics.
http://therealmikehuckabee.blogspot.com/
Soliciting gifts from public: “Gov. Mike Huckabee and his wife, Janet, are registered for home furnishing gifts at Target and Dillard’s department stores as they prepare to leave the Governor’s Mansion in January and move into a house they recently purchased in North Little Rock. “
Even more on Huck’s hand-in-cookie-jar and using-public-money-for-private-purpose ethics issues here:
http://realmikehuckabee.blogspot.com/
http://realmikehuckabee.blogspot.com/2007/12/meet-huckster-san-diego-union-tribune.html
Over the years, Huckabee has:
-Used campaign funds to pay himself $14,000 for being his own media consultant.
-Used campaign funds to pay himself $43,000 for use of his private plane while attempting to hide what the payment was actually in return for.
-Used an account set up to cover operational costs of the governor’s mansion to pay such obviously personal expenses as fast-food and dry-cleaning bills.
-Set up a nonprofit organization that paid him $23,500 without disclosing the source of the money.
-Attempted to take $70,000 of furniture with him when moving out of the governor’s mansion.
-Took more than 130 gifts worth more than $300,000 – while suing to overturn a law that made him disclose the gifts. “
File this under: “Will be used by Hillary two weeks before the election”.
7. FLIPFLOPPER - flip-flopper on immigration and other issues ...
POWERS: “And another issue that’s come up is that you had previously been lobbying President Bush to lift the embargo on Cuba. And then in a recent debate said the opposite. What changed?”
HUCKABEE: “What changed was I’m running for president.”
Huckabee does a flipflop
http://www.latimes.com/news/la-na-huckabee11dec11,0,7354822.story?coll=la-tot-topstories&track=ntothtml
8. On foreign policy, he’s an ignorant boob.
Huck is completely ignorant on foreign policy, and when he gabs about it, he sounds like Jimmy Carter. He will be a disaster, and closing Gitmo and stopping waterboarding (which today’s report indicates actually worked and saved lives) is not the toughness we need:
“This is the kernel of Huckabee’s foreign policy. He wants to anthropomorphize international relations and bring a Christian commitment to the Golden Rule to our affairs with other nations. As he told the Des Moines Register the other day, “You treat others the way you’d like to be treated. That’s to me the fundamental issue that has to be re-established in our dealings with other countries.”
This is deeply naïve. Countries aren’t people, and the world is more dangerous than a Sunday church social. Threats, deception, and — as a last resort — violence must play a role in international relations. Differences cannot always be worked out through sweet persuasion. A U.S. president who doesn’t realize this will repeat the experience of President Jimmy Carter at his most ineffectual.”
9. HE WILL LOSE TO HILLARY. BADLY.
http://drudgereport.com/flashhu.htm
DEMS HOLD FIRE ON HUCKABEE; SEE ‘EASY KILL’ IN GENERAL ELECTION
Tue Dec 11 2007 10:27:53 ET
**Exclusive**
Democrat party officials are avoiding any and all criticism of Republican presidential contender Mike Huckabee, insiders reveal.
The Democratic National Committee has told staffers to hold all fire, until he secures the party’s nomination.
The directive has come down from the highest levels within the party, according to a top source.
Within the DNC, Huckabee is known as the “glass jaw — and they’re just waiting to break it.”
In the last three weeks since Huckabee’s surge kicked in, the DNC hasn’t released a single press release criticizing his rising candidacy.
The last DNC press release critical of Huckabee appeared back on March 2nd.
[DNC Press Release Attack Summary:
Governor Mitt Romney (R-MA) – 37% (99 press releases)
Mayor Rudy Giuliani (R-NY) – 28% (74)
Senator John McCain (R-AZ) – 24% (64)
Senator Fred Thompson (R-TN) – 8% (20)
Governor Mike Huckabee – 2% (4)]
In fact, as the story broke over the weekend that Huckabee said he wanted to isolate AIDS patients back in 1992, the DNC ignored the opportunity to slam the candidate from the left.
“He’ll easily be their McGovern, an easy kill,” mocked one senior Democrat operative Tuesday morning from Washington.
“His letting out murderers because they shout ‘Jesus’, his wanting to put 300,000 AIDS patients and Magic Johnson into isolation, ain’t even scratching the surface of what we’ve got on him.”
The discipline the Democrats have shown in not engaging Huckabee has earned the praise of one former Republican Party official:
“The Democrats are doing a much better job restraining themselves than the GOP did in 2003 when Howard Dean looked like he was on the brink of winning the nomination.”
Huckabee’s got all the warning signs of an electoral disaster waiting to happen.
Liberal Columnists Heap Praise on the Huckster (Conservatives Beware!)
http://realmikehuckabee.blogspot.com/
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