and vote Gene Simmons 2008! He's from Detroit.
Posted on 01/31/2008 2:09:25 PM PST by Jim Robinson
My friends, I have to admit that I've been in a bit of a quandary since the Real Conservatives ® Thompson and Hunter dropped out of the race leaving us to to place our bets on one the four headless horsemen. But after having a day or three to sort it all out, I'm beginning to see a ray of hope.
Number one, my worst fear that the pro-abortion, pro-gay, anti-gun social liberal Rudy Giuliani might be nominated, and thereby bring an abrupt and unholy end to the pro-life conservative movement within the GOP has been allayed. His evil culture of death platform has been soundly rejected by the Republican voters. Thank God! If nothing else is gained, that alone is a huge victory for us!
And that leaves us with the unwelcome slippery task of having to determine and select the least evil of the three remaining RINOs. But wait! When choosing between evils, why not choose the good?
McCain is insane and there are many good reasons not to choose him, but I'll list just five: McCain-Feingold, McCain-Kennedy, McCain-Lieberman, the Keating 5, and the Gang of 14. No thanks. McCain is out!
Romney ran on a pro-abortion platform, is pro gay rights, is prone to BIG government solutions, promises anything to anyone for a vote, and flip-flops on important issues. Can't trust him.
Now Governor Huckabee. Could this be the good vs evil? He's a Baptist minister. A genuine 100% pro-God, pro-life, pro-family, pro-gun, Southron Christian social conservative!
And that would be my reason no. 1 to support Huckabee. He has the trust and backing of the Christian evangelicals and the support of the Bible Belt. You cannot win the presidency without the South, and I believe the pro-God, pro-life, pro-family, pro-gun, pro-America Mike Huckabee is the most likely of the three GOP hopefuls to carry the South. And that's a pretty darn good reason!
My number two reason is that he is NOT McCain (and that's a pretty darn good reason too).
Number three (and this will be a tough one for a lot of my FReeper Friends) is that he is NOT Romney.
Numbers four and five are he's NOT Hillary and NOT Obama. Oohrah!
Number six, he plays a mean bass and he's a traditional favorite at Free Republic's infamous quadrennial Inaugural Balls in Washington, DC. Perhaps we could persuade President Huckabee to drop by our ball and perform his rocking rendition of "Sweet Home Alabama!" Now, wouldn't that be a hoot!
Number seven, if we can keep Huckabee in the race all the way through, thus preventing McCain or Romney from gaining enough delegates to win the nomination, then maybe, just maybe a deadlocked convention might seek out another candidate. One who can re-unite the Reagan Coalition, save the GOP, and put us back on the conservative track. Of course, my personal favorite to be that man would be FRed Thompson.
Woo hoo!!
Let it ring out through grassroots America and on to the convention! Support life! Support the GOP! Support Huckabee! And re-draft FRed Thompson!!
Never give in, never give up, and never lose hope.
Long live the Reagan Revolution!
And your point is?
Well, he was also extremely open-borders until just a few weeks ago when he did a 180.
Sorry, can’t do it.
and vote Gene Simmons 2008! He's from Detroit.
Even pro-Mitt Hugh Hewitt was acknowledging how much better the polls say a McCain would do vs. Hillary than Mitt. Hugh's on-air answer to that was to say he didn't think Hillary would win; Hugh followed that up today by saying that Obama has brought in $32 million in January alone...he thinks (at this point) that Obama will edge Hillary.
So in that light, Hewitt said that he thought only a non-beltway, younger looking Romney could match up vs. the "Mr. Future" ride-the-young-voter wave Obama. He said he didn't think an older beltway senator like McCain would stand a chance vs. Obama (and I think he's right on that). Where's he wrong though, and I'm not going to go into any detail on this so that we're talking a rabbit trail on this thread, but he hasn't taken the MSM & Democratic talking points into consideration if it were to come down to a Obama vs. Romney match-up.
Think of it: Romney is 60. When he was half that age, a conscientious moral adult, the most important commitment in his life was one where if Obama had been an adult & wanted to come right alongside of him in that commitment, he would have read the sign, "No blacks or Native Americans allowed." (I mean it wasn't even a segregated situation). The MSM & Democrats would have a literal field day with that, trying to tiptoe between not shaming Mitt's commitment but rather trying to shame the GOP as selecting somebody from the corporate countryclub AND "good ole boy" era vs. the ever so tolerant Obama & his followers.
Now there's nothing he can do about his past--in this post that's not where I'm going; my going back to 1977 is only mentioned to focus in on 2008. If that match-up were to occur, then in '08 too many '08 issues would get lost as the lens of the MSM & the Dems would keep hitting the rewind button to 1977.
The GOP wants to run an '08 campaign...and just because there many not be any skeletons in Romney's immediate family closet, doesn't mean that the MSM won't expand its zoom upon his wider faith family closet...the dust that was still heavy circa 1977.
Here is his governing record on life, not his campaign.
He vetoed the bill providing state funding for human embryonic stem cell research
(Theo Emery, “Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney Vetoes Stem Cell Bill,” The Associated Press, 5/27/2005)
He vetoed a bill that provided for the “morning after pill” without a prescription because it is an abortifacient and would have been available to minors without parental notification and consent
(Governor Mitt Romney, Op-Ed, “Why I Vetoed Contraception Bill,” The Boston Globe, 7/26/2005)
He pledged to veto any bill that would expand access to RU-486, the abortion pill
(Hugh Hewitt, “Interview with Governor Romney,” The Hugh Hewitt Show, 7/27/2005)
He vetoed legislation which would have redefined Massachusetts longstanding definition of the beginning of human life from fertilization to implantation
(Governor Mitt Romney, Letter To The Massachusetts State Senate And House Of Representatives, 5/12/2005)
He supported parental notification laws and opposed efforts to weaken parental involvement
(John McElhenny, “O’Brien And Romney Spar In Last Debate Before Election,” The Associated Press, 10/29/2002)
He fought to promote abstinence education in public school classrooms with a program offered by faith-based Boston group Healthy Futures to middle school students. Gov. Romney’s administration was the first in Massachusetts to use federal abstinence education funds for classroom programs.
(Office of Gov. Mitt Romney, “Romney Announces Award of Abstinence Education Contract,” Press Release, 4/20/2006)
Governor Romney: “Times of decision are moments of great clarity. Before I was Governor, the life issue was just that, an issue. But when responsibility for life or ending life was placed in my hands, I made the right decision. I chose life.”
(Governor Mitt Romney, Remarks At The National Right To Life Convention Forum, Kansas City, MO, 6/15/2007)
Eight prominent leaders of pro-life and pro-family groups in Massachusetts wrote an open letter on January 11, 2007 praising Gov. Romney for his leadership and accomplishments in these important issues and attesting to his commitment to the pro-life and pro-family causes. (This letter is a MUST READ)
Excerpt:
“Since well before 2003, we have been laboring in the trenches of Massachusetts, fighting for the family values you and we share. It is difficult work indeed – not for the faint of heart. In this challenging environment, Governor Romney has proven that he shares our values, as well as our determination to protect them.
“For four years, Governor Romney has been right there beside us, providing leadership on key issues – whether it was politically expedient to do so or not. He has stood on principle, and we have benefited greatly from having him with us.
“It is clear that Governor Romney has learned much since 1994 – to the benefit of our movement and our Commonwealth. In fact, the entire nation has benefited from his socially conservative, pro-family actions in office. As we explained earlier, his leadership on the marriage issue helped prevent our nation from being plunged into even worse legal turmoil following the court decision that forced “gay marriage” upon our Commonwealth.
“For that our country ought to be thankful. We certainly are.
Massachusetts Citizens for Life gave Governor Romney their 2007 Mullins Award for Outstanding Political Leadership recognizing him for consistently seeking to advance the pro-life cause while in office. The award was presented at the MCFL Mother’s Day Pioneer Valley Dinner where Gov. Romney delivered the keynote speech.
Ann Romney serves as co-chairman of the Massachusetts Citizens for Life capital campaign.
Massachusetts Citizens For Life Executive Director Marie Sturgis: “Having Governor Romney in the corner office for the last four years has been one of the strongest assets the pro-life movement has had in Massachusetts.”
(Kathryn Jean Lopez, “An Early Massachusetts Primary,” National Review Online, 1/10/2007)
Massachusetts Citizens For Life Pioneer Valley Chapter Chairman Kevin Jourdain: “Mitt Romney was a great Governor, who served with honor and distinction. But most importantly, he was a pro-life Governor. He vetoed a number of pro-abortion pieces of legislation and made many pro-life appointments. He was always there for us.”
(Kevin Jourdain, Remarks at Massachusetts Citizens for Life Mother’s Day Pioneer Valley Dinner, Agawam, MA, 5/10/2007)
Governor Romney has received the important endorsement of James Bopp, Jr., a nationally-known constitutional lawyer, leading advocate for the pro-life movement, and author of the Human Life Amendment for the Republican Party Platform. James Bopp reviewed Romney’s record as Governor and questioned him personally before giving Romney his endorsement. Bopp later joined the Romney Presidential campaign as a special adviser on life issues, an unpaid position.
James Bopp Jr. wrote about the record of Governor Romney:
“These actions as governor have lead leaders of the most important social conservative groups in Massachusetts, including Massachusetts Citizens for Life, Massachusetts Family Institute, and the Knights of Columbus, to observe that, while previous comments by Romney “are, taken by themselves, obviously worrisome to social conservatives including ourselves, they do not dovetail with the actions of Governor Romney from 2003 until now — and those actions positively and demonstrably impacted the social climate of Massachusetts.” They conclude that Romney “demonstrat[ed] [his] solid social conservative credentials by undertaking” these actions, and has therefore “proven that he shares our values, as well as our determination to protect them.”
(James Bopp Jr., “The Best Choice Is Also a Good Choice - Why social conservatives should support Mitt Romney for president,” National Review Online, 2/21/2007)
Governor Romney believes Roe v. Wade should be overturned as a first step, allowing the States to set abortion policy, as a goal that can be achieved more quickly. For a longer range goal after overturning Roe v. Wade, he supports a Human Life Amendment to the Constitution and endorses legislation to make it clear that the 14th Amendment’s protections apply to unborn children.
Romney believes that controversial abortion policy should be decided through the democratic process by citizens in the several states and their elected representatives rather than by federal judicial mandate.
Governor Romney: “I understand that my views on laws governing abortion set me in the minority in our Commonwealth. I am prolife. I believe that abortion is the wrong choice except in cases of incest, rape, and to save the life of the mother. I wish the people of America agreed, and that the laws of our nation could reflect that view. But while the nation remains so divided over abortion, I believe that the states, through the democratic process, should determine their own abortion laws and not have them dictated by judicial mandate.”
(Governor Mitt Romney, Op-Ed, “Why I vetoed contraception bill,” The Boston Globe, 7/26/2005)
Gov. Romney Praised The U.S. Supreme Court Decision Upholding A Partial-Birth Abortion Ban. “Today, our nation’s highest court reaffirmed the value of life in America by upholding a ban on a practice that offends basic human decency. This decision represents a step forward in protecting the weakest and most innocent among us.”
(Romney for President, “Statement On Supreme Court’s Partial Birth Abortion Ruling,” Press Release, 4/18/2007)
Statement from Romney Communications Director Matt Rhoades: “Governor Romney does not believe that abortion legislation should punish women who have abortions. Governor Romney recognizes that we must be sensitive to both lives involved in these situations, the unborn child and the mother. The people who should be held accountable for violations of this nature are the people who perform an illegal abortion, the penalties of which could include anything from disciplinary action to incarceration.”
(Terence P. Jeffrey, “Romney Open to Incarcerating Abortionists,” CNSNews.com, 11/21/2007)
View video of a portion of a speech delivered by Mitt Romney at the National Review Institute Conservative Summit in which he describes a pivotal event in his life while learning about stem cell research and embryo farming from Harvard research scientists. From a researcher’s comment explaining that there wasn’t a moral issue at stake in the embryo farming process because the embryos are destroyed after 14 days, Romney was hit hard by the harsh realization that, in his words, “We have so cheapened the value and sanctity of human life in our society that someone could think there is not a moral issue because we kill human embryos at 14 days.” Gov. Romney publicly affirmed his pro-life position thereafter.
Governor Romney: “I don’t believe that somatic cell nuclear transfer or cloning and embryo farming are appropriate and would not pursue federal funding of those forms of stem cell research.”
(David A. Lieb, “Romney Wraps Self In Reagan Lingo,” The Associated Press, 2/11/2007)
In August 2006, Gov. Romney imposed a limit on stem cell research, saying that scientists could not use stem cell lines developed in states with less restrictive laws than Massachusetts, which barred the production of embryos for the expressed purpose of scientific exploration. Public health regulators appointed by Romney’s successor, Democrat Gov. Deval Patrick, reversed that limit in October, 2007.
(Stephen Smith, “Health Council repeals Romney limit on stem cell research,” The Boston Globe, 10/11/2007)
Governor Romney Believes We Can Support Techniques That “Produce The Equivalent Of Embryonic Stem Cells But Without Cloning, Creating, Harming, Or Destroying Developing Human Lives.” Governor Romney: “I studied the issue for many months, and entered into conversation with experts from across the nation who were looking for consensus solutions, like Stanford’s Dr. William Hurlbut. In the end, I became persuaded that the stem-cell debate was grounded in a false premise, and that the way through it was around it: by the use of scientific techniques that could produce the equivalent of embryonic stem cells but without cloning, creating, harming, or destroying developing human lives.”
(Governor Mitt Romney, Op-Ed, “A Stem-Cell Solution,” National Review Online, 6/15/2007)
Important Stem-Cell Research Update:
“Ever since the debate of embryo-destructive stem-cell research began in earnest in 1998 when researchers at the University of Wisconsin first isolated human embryonic stem cells, we’ve known that the best overall answer to the ethical impasse would be a solution that both allows the search for stem-cell related cures to go foreword, while doing so without harming or destroying embryonic human life in the process.
“We now have that solution.
“Two major scientific papers published today in Science and Cell offer proof of principle research to show that it is possible to generate patient-matched pluripotent stem cells without human cloning and its attendant moral pitfalls: the need to harvest and use human eggs from female donors and the subsequent destruction of cloned human embryos. Both studies used reprogramming of adult human cells to generate stem cells known as “induced pluripotent state cells” (iPSCs) that have all the properties of human embryonic stem cells.
... “In the highly contentious political battle over federal funding for stem-cell research, one cannot help but note that of all the current presidential candidates, only Governor Mitt Romney embraced an unambiguous and principled stance on the alternatives, incorporating them into his proposed domestic policy.”
(Father Thomas Berg, “The Future Is Now — Stem-cell debate changes,” National Review Online, 11/20/2007)
Governor Romney On Stem-Cell Research Announcement: “New developments confirm that cutting edge science and ethical principles are not opposed to one another. Scientists have provided a means for producing new cells functionally identical to embryonic stem cells without creating or destroying embryos and without the need to exploit women for their eggs. This is a result the whole public can celebrate. The scientists deserve credit for their genius, but equally, the voices insisting on ethical science and respect for human life provided the incentive for this revolutionary research.”
(Romney for President, “Governor Romney On Stem-Cell Research Announcement,” Press Release, 11/21/2007)
Read more about the contrasts in policy in a Research Briefing: Promoting A Culture Of Life: The Romney Vision Vs. The Democrat Vision
The influence of family members and events in Mitt Romney’s life on matters of abortion are worth considering. They illuminate obstacles he surmounted to adopt pro-life beliefs in his private life. Mitt Romney’s mother, Lenore Romney, advocated a pro-choice position in her unsuccessful 1970 run for the U.S. Senate in Michigan, writing in her campaign platform, “I support and recognize the need for more liberal abortion rights while reaffirming the legal and medical measures needed to protect the unborn and pregnant woman [sic].” Mitt Romney revealed in 1994 that his brother-in-law’s sister, a close family friend, died after a botched illegal abortion in the 1960s when Mitt would have been in his teens and early 20s.
(Stephanie Ebbert, “Romney releases mother’s statement on abortion issue,” The Boston Globe, 6/28/2005)
In a February 14, 2007 appearance on ABC’s Good Morning America TV show, Ann Romney talked about her personal struggle with multiple sclerosis and offered her perspective on embryonic stem cell research with a powerful, inspiring message opposing medical experimentation that could conceivably relieve her own suffering. Read a thought-provoking commentary by Alliance Defense Fund constitutional lawyer David French on Ann Romney’s strength of character in opposing embryonic stem cell research as seen in the ABC Good Morning America segment.
Gov. Romney made a $15,000 contribution in 2006 to the pro-life group Massachusetts Citizens for Life from the Tyler Charitable Foundation, a joint family trust of Mitt and Ann Romney. They also donated $10,000 to the Massachusetts Family Institute during the same time period.
The Tyler Charitable Foundation has donated more than $2.9 million to more than 40 health care groups, schools, and other charitable organizations since 1999.
Posted on 01/10/2008 3:40:52 PM PST by Jim Robinson
So, again, we're down to Huckabee and McCain. Now you all know that I like Huckabee as he is a likable fellow, and I hate McCain, but wait. If the whole shebang is going to be decided on which of the still standing Republican wannabes should defend America from the terrorists and the surrendering Democrats, I think I'll have to go with McCain over Huckabee. At least McCain served in the military and has a whole lot more military and national security experience while serving on various committees in the senate than does Huckabee. Huckabee has none. And I doubt Huckabee can defeat Hillary. But then, McCain probably won't either, so guess that leaves plan B. Squat down, tuck your head down between your knees and kiss your ass goodbye.
Why five paragraphs when you could’ve just said up front you don’t like Mormons?
You buried the “lede”.
Now ya wanna explain all right in the MIDDLE of that he said the following?
On May 27 '05, he affirms his commitment to being "pro-choice" at a press conference: "I am absolutely committed to my promise to maintain the status quo with regards to laws relating to abortion and choice."
You're not going to try to tell us with a straight face are you, that the "status quo" re: abortion in May of '05 was that it was a pro-life Massachusetts, are you?
You're not going to try to tell us that absolutely no women or girl of child-bearing age tuned in, heard, or read this statement, are you?
Looks like a lot of people overlooked my plan B in that post, just as they overlooked my reason number seven on this one.
Not to worry though, the media has convinced me to jump back onto the sure-fire Hillary/Obama knock out wagon here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1963045/posts?page=28#28
If the ultimate objective is to defeat Hillary, looks like we have a winner.
You don't understand why Huckabee is not supported by conservatives?????????????????
You are here.......
Everyone else on FR is here.........
Please join us.
Journalists love to get 2 extreme viewpoints...two contrasts that they think define the candidates...and if it happens to make their candidate look better, all the better.
If you won't acknowledge that reality, if you just want to pretend that folks can duck the MSM & Democrats just by yelling, "bigotry...bigotry...bigotry..." it won't work.
When you're telling the 100% truth, "bigotry" as an ad hominen attack is no defense. (Can you imagine early 1960s Alabama & Missippi residents trying to claim to the heavy MSM coverage of events down there that, "Oh, you've got this stubborn view about Southerners. Why don't you just admit you don't like Southerners."
**then maybe, just maybe a deadlocked convention might seek out another candidate. One who can re-unite the Reagan Coalition, save the GOP, and put us back on the conservative track. Of course, my personal favorite to be that man would be FRed Thompson.**
Agree with you about Fred Thompson.
However, do we get Hillary elected in the general election by voting for a third party candidate?
Well that’s at least two of us!
I watched the whole video. He’s being attacked for not being being pro-choice. He is defending himself as he can, knowing the liberalism of that electorate. His bottom line is that, despite his personal beliefs, he will not change the state’s policy. He obviously didn’t want to run on the issue, and that’s why his opponents tried so hard to hit him with it.
I held this talk against him before, but I have changed my mind.
Who’s talking third party? Draft Thompson (or some other more qualified consistent conservative if there is one) at the Republican convention.
“Lenore Romney, advocated a pro-choice position in her unsuccessful 1970 run for the U.S. Senate in Michigan, writing in her campaign platform, “I support and recognize the need for more liberal abortion rights while reaffirming the legal and medical measures needed to protect the unborn and pregnant woman [sic].”
Now find anything other than that to support Mitt Romney’s repeated claims that his mother campaigned as a courageous pro-abort.
Where is anything other than that simple, bland, statement?
Mitt Romney was one of the most aggressive pro-choice republicans that most of us have ever seen on tape, he portrayed his mother as the Bull Connor of abortion, where is the other evidence that he was telling the truth about her campaigning on that issue?
So what is your point?
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