Divided views as US fence goes up

BBC News ^ | 1/31/08 | Duncan Kennedy

[mdittmar]

Of all the issues in this year's US presidential election, immigration is the one that touches the rawest of Democratic and Republican nerves.

After last year's failure by President George W Bush to get his comprehensive immigration plan past Congress, it has become fertile and divisive ground for candidates in the race.

But there is one area of immigration policy that is proceeding, despite the political stalemate: the building of the border fence between the US and Mexico.

Hundreds of kilometres are under construction along the US's southern frontier.

Estimates for the cost of the project have ranged from $2bn to $10bn (£1bn to £5bn).

Military-tested

Flying by helicopter some 100m (330ft) above the fence, it can sometimes be hard to see.

In the section along Arizona's border with Mexico I went to examine, the barrier appears like a thin black line snaking along the desert floor below.

Once you fix your eyes on the line, it becomes clear this is one area where building is racing ahead.

Roughly a mile of fencing is being erected every month here.

Areas of once-untouched desert are now disappearing under a lengthening slice of man-made fencing.

After setting down, we were able to get up close to the men and machines making the new fence.

Coast to coast, from the Pacific to the Gulf of Mexico, some 300 miles (500km) of barrier are completed, with another 700 miles (1100km) set to go up by the end of this year.

The fence itself is an impressive, sun-blocking, engineering feat.

Agent Jose Gonzalez of the Arizona Border Patrol tells me each 4-metre-high (13ft) panel can withstand a car impact at 45mph (70 km/h).

"It's been tested using the military's armoured vehicles," he says. "We think it will withstand pretty much any migrant car or truck."

In other places, where the terrain is more suited, electronic sensors, not walls, are being installed.

But whatever "asset" is being constructed, to use Agent Gonzalez's term, it all raises the same question of whether it will work.

"It won't stop everyone," is his honest answer.

"But we believe most migrants will be deterred".

Agent Gonzalez later drives us parallel to this gigantic metallic barrier. You can see through its grey bars. Just across the ravine inside Mexico we spot a man.

When he sees the fence and us, he changes his mind about crossing and runs off.

He is not the only one deciding he needs a plan B. In some places where the wall has been completed, and where extra border patrols are in place, illegal crossings are down by as much as 60% compared with a year ago.

The days when Mexicans, Nicaraguans, Salvadorians and others could step over flimsy strips of barbed wire to begin a new life in the US are now numbered.

'Just for the US'

The fence is part of President Bush's attempts to convince Congress he is tough on immigration.

Congress gave him the go ahead for his fence but not his policy on dealing with the estimated 11 million undocumented migrants already in the US.

That unfinished business has turned into a key issue in this year's presidential race.

In some states, it is the social topic of the 2008 campaign.

We later cross into Mexico to find the fence is just as controversial, but for very different reasons. Here, it has been likened to the Berlin wall.

"What do you think of it?" I ask Marco, a Mexican, deported from America and now trying to get back into a country where hourly wages are up to 10 times those in Mexico.

"It's unfair" is his simple reply.

Marco stands dwarfed by the new border fence in front of him, but not, it seems, by the task ahead.

"Some will slip through," he says, "and I hope to be one of them."

We then climb inside one of the orange pick-up trucks used by a migrant help group, Grupo Beta.

The group, set up by the Mexican government, takes us along the fence on the Mexican side. We go past migrants straining to look up at the immense structure before them.

Enrique Enriquez from Grupo Beta tries to be diplomatic when I ask him what he thinks of the wall.

"It's fair for them, it's fair for the United States," he says.

"But maybe it's unjust this side. It's for the protection of the United States. It's just for them."

Opinion polls in the US suggest this belated attempt to physically halt unchecked immigration is popular.

Many millions of figurative horses may have bolted, but this barn door is now being very firmly shut.

Less clear is what to do with those migrants who have already made it through illegally. The outcome of this year's election may help decide that.

For now, the US is a country that is putting in place a border, but not yet a policy.

[Judith Anne]

“Areas of once-untouched desert are now disappearing under a lengthening slice of man-made fencing....”

Baloney. The mountains of trash left behind by the illegals has ruined huge areas of “once-untouched desert.”

[Southack]

"To the extent the fence is being built at all, it's despite GWB; not because of him."

Nonsense.

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[avacado]

"Maybe the kid's crying because his country's being sold out by the Republican party."

Lambcakes, it's the Republican Party in both Houses who killed the immigration bill.

[Jedi Master Pikachu]

The fence isn’t only being built in one spot. X number of teams building x number of segments of fence simultaneously at around a mile a month can complete the project in less than 58 years.

[Jeff Head]

Electronics monitoring approach to fence...fence...road...fence...electronics monitoring 100 yards inside US border...and UAVs overhead would be a barrier in depth in my view.

[Jedi Master Pikachu]

Actually, this piece is pretty fair for Duncan Kennedy. He seems to be the BBC’s Mexico correspondent, so tends to be a little more sympathetic to Mexicans’ views.

[Southack]

"Electronics monitoring approach to fence...fence...road...fence...electronics monitoring 100 yards inside US border...and UAVs overhead would be a barrier in depth in my view."

Understood, except that monitoring isn't a barrier.

[Jedi Master Pikachu]

comment 44.

[mdittmar]

It is hard to follow.

So let us keep it front and center.

[DoughtyOne]

There you go. It only takes one guy to make sense out of confusion. Thanks. /s

And here I thought we were talking about 700 years. /s

That was actually pretty good humor.

[teawithmisswilliams]

The “immigration bill” was a total sell-out of our country. And it’s “Miss Williams” to you, sir.

[Jeff Head]

If it monitors those who infiltrate past the physical barrier...and leads to them being apprehended...IMHO it becomes a part of a barrier system in depth. Or call it a Border Enforcement System or some such

But, we can nitpick on and on. The idea that an electronic barrier can be put in place is one that would be best served only, IMHO, when it complimented a good strong physical barrier like the double fence.

[avacado]

"The “immigration bill” was a total sell-out of our country. And it’s “Miss Williams” to you, sir."

Miss Sweet'thang, it's the Republican Party in both Houses who killed the immigration bill.

[DoughtyOne]

Wouldn’t want it any other way. I’m just at the end of my rope with the digust that acompanies the mere mention of it.

[Southack]

Monitoring is good.

The fence is good.

Do both.

That’s defense.

Now, for “defense in depth,” we would then need a physical barrier (personnel and/or obstacles) to the rear of the above.

[Jeff Head]

Fine...I am game for that too. But, IMHO, monitoring that is backed up by warm bodies on the ground that interdict the intruders is also defense.

Round and round and round we go.

[Jedi Master Pikachu]

Sure thing.

There are at least four comments on this thread all positing the same thing: that work on the fence is being worked linearly one piece at a time. Reserve your /ss for them.

[Southack]

"The “immigration bill” was a total sell-out of our country."

It was defeated.

Are you capable of admitting in public who defeated it (wait, lemme guess, the American people...anyone but the GOP, right?!)?

[teawithmisswilliams]

You mean conservative Republicans, not the Republican Establishment, of course. Your "arguments" are even less persuasive than your insults. Good bye.

[teawithmisswilliams]

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