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(Forbes) Worst Places: America's Most Miserable Cities
Forbes ^ | 1/30/08 | Kurt Badenhausen

Posted on 01/31/2008 9:39:40 AM PST by MotleyGirl70

Edited on 02/01/2008 2:28:16 PM PST by Jim Robinson. [history]

Imagine living in a city with the country's highest rate for violent crime and the second-highest unemployment rate. As an added kicker you need more Superfund dollars allocated to your city to clean up contaminated toxic waste sites than just about any other metro.


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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bluezones; charlotte; chicago; cities; detroit; filthydelphia; flint; losangeles; miserablecities; modesto; newyork; providence; stockton; topten; urban
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To: Clemenza

There is that.

Funny story: My friend worked at a very hip bar downtown. When I asked him how it was, he said, “It’s the only bar in the city where a half dozen Brazilian models can walk in and nobody raises an eyebrow. They have to start making-out to even get a glance.”


101 posted on 01/31/2008 10:40:23 AM PST by durasell (!)
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To: MotleyGirl70

No no no...it’s hoagie. We put red gravy on our spaghetti. We drink warter and eat warter ice, in between cheesesteaks. We have a sub at Penn’s Landing that is a floating museum.

I live in South Philly, near the stadiums. Excellent neighborhood, we even have a golf course nearby. (Not Pebble Beach, mind you....). Yeah, the sports fans are annoyingly vicious, I deal with the baseball fans on a nightly basis in the summer, but I like it here. We’ll see how I feel in a few years.....


102 posted on 01/31/2008 10:40:58 AM PST by Sterm26 (Death before Dhimmitude!)
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To: NativeNewYorker

When the elderly Jews and Italians decided to put their houses on the market (due to retirement to Florida or death), unscrupulous realtors came in to give zero-money-down mortgages to folks who were, for the most part, working class immigrants from the Carribean moving down from Crown Heights and Bed-Stuy. What you see now is happening all over the country as folks who took on mortgages more than they could afford (with the interest-only teaser) are now forced to default.


103 posted on 01/31/2008 10:40:58 AM PST by Clemenza (Ronald Reagan was a "Free Traitor", Like Me ;-))
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To: durasell
New Yorkers never tire of talking about their city, even to the point of agonizingly small details of neighborhoods.

It's the density. More people run the corporate challenge road race here than live in some counties elsewhere.

104 posted on 01/31/2008 10:41:06 AM PST by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD
I’m surprised with Modesto, CA... isn’t that where Chandra Levy and Laci Peterson lived?

Crystal meth culture and Mexican gang violence are a lethal combination in Central Valley cities these days. Plus Stockton and Modesto usually get all the polluted air from the Bay Area and they suffer from hugely overbuilt housing developments that were marketed to illegals.

105 posted on 01/31/2008 10:41:52 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("Wise men don't need to debate; men who need to debate are not wise." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: Sterm26
Real Italians say "Salsa" not "gravy." ;-)

BTW: Are most folks in South Philly still missing half their teeth? Maybe I'm thinking about Kensington instead.

106 posted on 01/31/2008 10:43:24 AM PST by Clemenza (Ronald Reagan was a "Free Traitor", Like Me ;-))
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To: NativeNewYorker

No, it’s pride in the city and pride in their knowledge of the city.

Go down to Times Sqaure sometime and watch the workfare guys in the jumpsuits who sweep up. They’ve become unofficial greeters for tourists — they answer all questions regarding subways and directions around the city with great pride.


107 posted on 01/31/2008 10:44:04 AM PST by durasell (!)
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To: mrsmel

That’s ok, we non-Southern Californians just get a little touchy about the subject.


108 posted on 01/31/2008 10:44:06 AM PST by Inyo-Mono (If you don't want people to get your goat, don't tell them where it's tied.)
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To: Clemenza
You cheated now because you used Philly with Camden as a surrounding area. The original issue was Newark vs. Camden. Newark is a huge basket case, Camden is a tiny one. Newark really ruined the Oranges, Camden has not ruined the surrounding areas.

I'm up for this argument, having been a long time resident of both North and South Jersey.

Both Newark and Camden are seeing some resurgence and rebuilding, but both are a mess. Camden has a great waterfront now with the Battleship New Jersey, Aquarium, new apartments, Tweeter Entertainment Center. Otherwise Camden has nothing.

North vs. South Jersey is not a simple matter. South Jersey has super affluent Moorestown, named the best town in the country. Also Haddonfield, and towns like Voorhees, Cherry Hill have some great neighborhoods. South Jersey retains the Garden State with farms, long gone from North Jersey. SJ is loaded with good restaurants now, esp Italian restaurants, and lots of commercial development.

SJ is flatter, less developed, less congested, more affordable, less crime than NorthJ. It is not even remotely a blue collar hell.

And to list Philly as hell or to even try comparing it to Newark is way off. Philly is a huge cultural economic area with great waterfront, Center City, South Philly etc areas, world class museums, restaurants, theatre, shopping, national historical sites, etc.

North Jersey has more money, hills, NYC, but it also has more crime, more bad cities (a long list vs one in S Jersey) and has become ridiculously expensive.

I like them both and miss North Jersey, at least the one of my youth, but NJ taxes are killing me.

109 posted on 01/31/2008 10:45:22 AM PST by Williams
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To: Clemenza

No, that’s Kensington. South Philly is merely full of plump, hairy Italians wearing wife-beater shirts. And those are the women. But we have most of our teeth.


110 posted on 01/31/2008 10:45:29 AM PST by Sterm26 (Death before Dhimmitude!)
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To: Inyo-Mono
I'm from Mississippi, I know exactly how you feel :)
111 posted on 01/31/2008 10:46:32 AM PST by mrsmel
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To: Clemenza

Leave the gun, take the cannolis.


112 posted on 01/31/2008 10:47:04 AM PST by Sterm26 (Death before Dhimmitude!)
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To: Kevmo

I think one of the biggest population migrations came out of the Rust Belt when the American steel industry went belly up. There are ‘Steeler’ bars in just about every NFL city...alot of relocated Yunzers out there too.


113 posted on 01/31/2008 10:47:08 AM PST by PennsylvaniaMom (I do not want people to be agreeable, as it saves me the trouble of liking them. Jane Austen.)
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To: MotleyGirl70

All in blue states, except one.

Hmmmmm????


114 posted on 01/31/2008 10:49:26 AM PST by The South Texan (The Drive By Media is America's worst enemy and American people don't know it.)
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To: Sterm26
LOL!

BTW: I think that the so-called "Italian Market" should be bulldozed. I've seen cleaner market stalls in Guatemala (no, I am NOT kidding!).

Reading Terminal Market is great, but it needs a Salumeria. Di Bruno's made the right choice in opening up that location near Rittenhouse.

115 posted on 01/31/2008 10:57:41 AM PST by Clemenza (Ronald Reagan was a "Free Traitor", Like Me ;-))
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To: NativeNewYorker
How does NYC end up between the other two?

You'd have to be on the outside looking in to understand..............

116 posted on 01/31/2008 10:58:28 AM PST by doorgunner69
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To: Sterm26; Cagey
South Philly is merely full of plump, hairy Italians wearing wife-beater shirts. And those are the women.

Do you have any Guidos in Philly. I know most of them reside in L.I., NY but some must migrate to other cities on the East Coast.

117 posted on 01/31/2008 10:58:58 AM PST by MotleyGirl70
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To: Williams

A sad fact about NJ is that everything from Trenton north has NYC (where dey has it all in the words of Joey Ramone) as its anchor, while everything from Bordentown on south is oriented toward Filthadelphia. Franklin was right when he said the Garden state is a keg tapped at two end.


118 posted on 01/31/2008 11:00:24 AM PST by Clemenza (Ronald Reagan was a "Free Traitor", Like Me ;-))
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To: Williams

A sad fact about NJ is that everything from Trenton north has NYC (where dey has it all in the words of Joey Ramone) as its anchor, while everything from Bordentown on south is oriented toward Filthadelphia. Franklin was right when he said the Garden state is a keg tapped at two ends.


119 posted on 01/31/2008 11:00:29 AM PST by Clemenza (Ronald Reagan was a "Free Traitor", Like Me ;-))
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To: MotleyGirl70; Sterm26
Do you have any Guidos in Philly. I know most of them reside in L.I., NY but some must migrate to other cities on the East Coast.

Former LI Guido here. Yes, there are Guidos in Philly, although most seemed to have moved to South Jersey, where they sit in "hoagie" shops bragging about their old Iroc RZ. ;-)

120 posted on 01/31/2008 11:02:24 AM PST by Clemenza (Ronald Reagan was a "Free Traitor", Like Me ;-))
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