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The Death of Conservatism? - 43 Mistakes and the GOP's Dobson's Choice
Sideshow Bob | January 29, 2008 | Sideshow Bob

Posted on 01/29/2008 11:55:19 AM PST by Sideshow Bob

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1 posted on 01/29/2008 11:55:22 AM PST by Sideshow Bob
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For me, it’s Romney or __________. Fill in the blank, but it won’t be McCain.


2 posted on 01/29/2008 11:58:02 AM PST by Brilliant
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>>Mitt Romney.. his Country Club wing of the party.<<

I thought Country Club Republicans were Episcopalians?


3 posted on 01/29/2008 11:58:59 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (It takes a father to raise a child.)
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If it’s Romney, I hope he wins the general election; If it’s McCain, I hope Hillary or Obama win and take the blame for the next 4 years


4 posted on 01/29/2008 12:00:02 PM PST by hugorand
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To: Sideshow Bob
You lost me with the "bible-thumpers" comment. I'd expect that kind of junk out of the KosKidz, but not from a conservative who knows that Evangelicals are our political allies and alienating them is a sure way to lose a national election.

Based on that, I'm not surprised you've identified stealth-liberal Flip Romney as the "least bad" choice.

Romney's actually the second worst choice. If you look at how liberalism advanced on all fronts while he was governor of Massachusetts, and the GOP devolved into the pathetic rump party that it is today, with no shot of winning another statewide election in the foreseeable fuure, that should tell you all you need to know about Flip.

If you want the National GOP of the future to resemble the Massachusetts GOP of today, vote for Mitt.
5 posted on 01/29/2008 12:01:15 PM PST by Antoninus (All you Mittens out there are going to feel like Flippers come November...)
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“Unfortunately, Dr. James Dobson and a few evangelical leaders decided to cut off their nose to spite their face (Mistake #35). You see, Fred’s not a Bible thumper. Neither was Ronald Reagan. And like Reagan, Fred is a bona fide, all-around, federalist conservative. That wasn’t good enough for Dobson. And when Fred refused to kiss Dobson’s ring of evangelical purity, Dobson went shopping for a candidate he thought he could control.”

I think Dobson’s ill conceived attack on Thompson played a major part in ensuring that no conservative will occupy the White House in 09.


6 posted on 01/29/2008 12:02:07 PM PST by NavVet ( If you don't defend Conservatism in the Primaries, you won't have it to defend in November)
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To: Sideshow Bob

Excellent, excellent commentary.


7 posted on 01/29/2008 12:03:14 PM PST by Zhang Fei
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“At best, the GOP could still end up with a George W. Bush-lite nominee like Mitt Romney. He will at least pretend to care about conservative ideals from his Country Club wing of the party.”

Romney will drive the last nail in the conservative coffin by going hard left while hordes of glassy eyed image lickers worship his silly putty looks on “A Day in the Life” threads. His fake sincerity will insure a smooth ride over the cliff to socialism.


8 posted on 01/29/2008 12:07:37 PM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (And close the damned borders!)
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Interesting stuff. I disagree about the Fred related mistakes. Fred in fact ran a poor campaign and failed to motivate people. You could say that seeing the morass of RINO candidates, the MISTAKE was drafting Fred in the first place. We would have needed either a) a better candidate/campaigner to draft or b) get behind Mitt that much sooner. But Fred went where he was meant to go. That part, sadly, was no mistake.


9 posted on 01/29/2008 12:07:45 PM PST by Huck (Buzzards gotta eat, same as worms.)
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To: Antoninus

He said that Fred wasn’t a ‘bible thumper’, which is true. When I think of a ‘bible thumper’, I think of a phony like Huckabee using the bible to pander and trick people or at the very least someone making an issue out of their religion for political gain.


10 posted on 01/29/2008 12:08:58 PM PST by perfect_rovian_storm (Careful guys, someone spiked the Mitt KoolAid.)
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To: Antoninus
Evangelicals are our political allies and alienating them is a sure way to lose a national election.

And that's not just speaking hypothetically. Just ask Bob Dole. If there is a demise of the Republican Party, it will have been the price paid for alienating social conservatives by calling them "Bible thumpers" and worse.
11 posted on 01/29/2008 12:09:40 PM PST by BMIC
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This crap is getting tiring. I hope it goes away over after the nominee is chosen. Yes, McCain is annoying (personally, at this point I’d rather see Romney, but neither of these two are all that great), but this garbage about “you are either a conservative or you are not”, and “he’s no better than Hillary” is ridiculous. I haven’t seen Hillary staunchly supporting the WOT and Iraq war. I haven’t seen McCain pandering to NOW and the pro-abortion lobby. And bet your bottom dollar that Hillary will appoint a few more Ginsburgs to the USSC.

Fine, keep bitching now (that’s what primaries are for), but have some sense in the general election campaign.

As for Rush Limbaugh, he makes the best case that can be made for opposing McCain in the general, but frankly its not very good. By suggesting that somehow Hillary “will be no worse” than McCain, and that “we may need a Hillary” to bring back conservatism, he’s really minimizing the importance of conservatism. Connservatism is important enough to me that I will always pick the MOST conservative candidate available, even if it is McCain in the general election. Conservatism is important enough to me that I do not want 4 or 8 years of a flaming liberal Hillary. Is Rush suggesting that the next 4 or 8 years are not important? Hell, they are to me.


12 posted on 01/29/2008 12:09:45 PM PST by dinoparty
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You lost me with the "bible-thumpers" comment.

Bible thumper is the respectful term for evangelicals. The less respectful terms are Jesus freak, Rapturist, etc.

The idea that Romney advanced the liberal cause in Mass is wrong. The Mass legislature is 85% Democrat - a veto-proof majority by a country mile. Romney slowed them down, watering down their socialist universal health plan by mandating that private insurers be involved. He also managed to appoint some Republican judges in that den of iniquity.

13 posted on 01/29/2008 12:11:30 PM PST by Zhang Fei
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I guess people could write in a name. I bet this year both Democrats and Republicans will make this a historic election with the most write in’s setting a record for Guiness.


14 posted on 01/29/2008 12:11:37 PM PST by rovenstinez
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Romney or McCain...either way we get AMNESTY

McCain for the ploiticical advantage...and Romney for the Big Business/slave wages, pathway to citizenship, we cant send them all back...

Welcome to Amerivilla


15 posted on 01/29/2008 12:12:06 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Sideshow Bob; pissant

Looks like another Duncan Hunter endorsement to me. Draft Duncan Hunter, Take II!


16 posted on 01/29/2008 12:12:37 PM PST by Rockitz (This isn't rocket science- Follow the money and you'll find the truth.)
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To: Sideshow Bob

Very good commentary. Right on the money.


17 posted on 01/29/2008 12:13:16 PM PST by Finny (FOX News: "We report only what we like. You decide based on what we decide.")
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I want to vote for someone who at least has a theoretical chance. If it’s McCain, and I can’t support his VP, then I will be hoping that Paul goes third party. I think I could lower myself to vote for him, if the alternative were McCain.


18 posted on 01/29/2008 12:14:05 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: NavVet
I think Dobson’s ill conceived attack on Thompson played a major part in ensuring that no conservative will occupy the White House in 09.

It had a part in it, that is for certain, but so did many "establishment" Republicans who didnt like the fact that Fred wouldnt kiss their fat rear. At that point, they decided to fold behind someone who would - Romney.

19 posted on 01/29/2008 12:14:14 PM PST by BoBToMatoE
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I don’t think it’s Conservatism that is dying. It is the Republican Party.

I don’t know anyone who is happy with the horrible choices we are left with for this election.

The Republicans will lose this election(just like they lost last year), and hopefully, they’ll be smart enough to return to the Reagan roots that brought them (us) to power.


20 posted on 01/29/2008 12:15:22 PM PST by Tex Pete
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