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Please do not shoot the messenger.

I am a Conservative. My first choice would be Fred Thompson, but I am also capable of defending Rudy, in the unlikely chance he gets the nomination.

I see the same conservatism in Rudy that Prager sees - always have. I chalk up his socially liberal positions to the practicalities of having to be elected, and effectively govern, an overwhelmingly Liberal and heavily immigrant like New York City.

Point's probably moot, though. His strategy seems to have failed, though, in truth, it wasn't really a choice; it was really the only strategy he had available to him. Even if he had campaigned in the early primary states, he really had no shot to win them, and would have been broke and gone long before Florida - the first contest he would have a real chance to win.

1 posted on 01/22/2008 4:51:54 AM PST by StatenIsland
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I would take Rudy over McCain or Huckabee.


2 posted on 01/22/2008 4:53:52 AM PST by nonliberal (Graduate: Curtis E. LeMay School of International Relations)
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"Rudy Giuliani may have made a great mistake by not campaigning in New Hampshire, "

Not true. Rudy made more visits and spent more money then most of the other candidates.

Hope he loses FL.

3 posted on 01/22/2008 4:56:14 AM PST by rineaux ( Make fun buddy-The Patriot Paul)
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To: StatenIsland

I agree.


4 posted on 01/22/2008 4:56:26 AM PST by ReleaseTheHounds ("You ask, 'What is our aim?' I can answer in one word: VICTORY - victory - at all costs...")
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Is this from the Onion?


5 posted on 01/22/2008 4:56:33 AM PST by newzjunkey (Huckabee, Romney, McCain: 3 red herrings, 3 easy pickings for Dems in '08.)
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To: StatenIsland
Please do not shoot the messenger.

I only shoot messengers who shot first.

I'll only say that trying to make a point that Rudy is a viable candidate through comparisons to the Democrats is disingenuous. When compared to rival Republicans such as Fred Thompson & Duncan Hunter (who's stopped campaigning), he doesn't hold a candle. I'd even vote for Mitt before I'd vote for Giuliani, McCain or Huckabee. Let's see, did I leave anyone out? No one I can mention without a bad taste in my mouth.

6 posted on 01/22/2008 5:01:09 AM PST by bcsco (Tag space for rent: "aPaulogists" need not apply.)
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I read that earlier. I agree with most of what Praeger says...we’ll know soon. Rudy’s chance to break out will be in Thursday’s debate. He’ll have to do better than his previous outings, and I think he will.

Assuming Huck is out, McCain is my least favorite.

So I’m torn between Mitt and Rudy. I like both, Rudy for his scrappiness, Mitt for his down-to-earthedness. I relish the idea of a President Guilliani taking on the WH press corps AND the bureaucracy. I’d be happy with either one. Florida should help me sort out which one gets my nod on Super Tuesday.


8 posted on 01/22/2008 5:06:01 AM PST by Timeout (I hate MediaCrats! ......and trial lawyers.)
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Rudolph William Louis Giuliani
Michael Dale Huckabee
John Sidney McCain III
Willard Mitt Romney

The above would fit in the democrat party!

They all would do or say anything and have did
and said anything for power!

They are all frauds!


9 posted on 01/22/2008 5:06:31 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Rudy,Romney,McCain, Huckabee will send a self-abused stomped elephant to the DRNC.)
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Rudy is either my #1 or #2 right now, and I agree with this article. In todays economic situation, we need someone that is a supply sider. Of course, I will probably have to change all of my voting ideals depending on if he is still in the race when Wisconsin rolls around.

For all of those Florida Fred supporters, if he does step out of the race today, and if you really want to stop John McCain, please consider voting Rudy. If Mitt wins, that does not stop McCain, but if Rudy does I think it does (they share the same voters). If McCain wins Florida, he goes into Super Tuesday as the favorite. If Rudy does, it will basically be down to him vs Mitt.

10 posted on 01/22/2008 5:07:43 AM PST by codercpc
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No Rudy, he isn’t the person I would settle for.

He doesn’t even deserve mention because he was too scared of going after the nomination by participating in the first states.

Argh


11 posted on 01/22/2008 5:07:57 AM PST by dforest (Since principles no longer matter in the GOP, I am sitting it out this time around. Probaby forever)
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I would vote for Rudy or Romney anyday over McLiar or the Huckabeast! Fox has been touting ALL morning how McCain is beating Rudy in Florida but they fail to mention Romney’s beating McCain. The fix is in.

It will be interesting to see who Fred endorses. If he gets behind McLiar - I will have lost all respect.


12 posted on 01/22/2008 5:08:29 AM PST by Minn. 4 Bush
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I’m pro-choice. I’m pro-gay rights, Giuliani said. He was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial-birth abortions. “No, I have not supported that, and I don’t see my position on that changing,” he responded. Source: CNN.com, “Inside Politics” Dec 2, 1999 http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Rudy_Giuliani_Abortion.htm

ANDERSON COOPER 360 DEGREES (November 14, 2006)

RUDY GIULIANI (R), FORMER MAYOR OF NEW YORK CITY: I'm pro- choice. I'm pro-gay rights.

KING: Giuliani supports a woman's right to an abortion, and back in 1999, he opposed a federal ban on late-term abortions.

GIULIANI: No, I have not supported that, and I don't see my position on that changing.

KING: Immigration could be another presidential landmine. Back in 1996, Mayor Giuliani went to federal court to challenge new federal laws requiring the city to inform the federal government about illegal immigrants.

JEFFREY: He took the side of illegal immigrants in New York City against the Republican Congress.

KING: Giuliani opposes same-sex marriage but as mayor, he supported civil unions and extending health and other benefits to gay couples. He also supported the assault weapons ban and other gun control measures opposed by the National Rifle Association.

GIULIANI: I'm in favor of gun control. I'm pro-choice.

Republican Big-Wigs Support Pro-Abortion Event in NY

Pro-abortion Governor George Pataki and New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, who also supports unrestricted abortion, are co-chairs of the 2000 Choice Award Presentation to be held on May 30 at the St. Regis Hotel in New York City. The event is sponsored by the Republican Pro-Choice Coalition, a group that is campaigning for the removal of the pro-life plank from the Republican National Platform.


http://www.nationalreview.com/murdock/murdock200503010743.asp


13 posted on 01/22/2008 5:09:01 AM PST by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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If Fred is gone my support will shift to Rudy.


15 posted on 01/22/2008 5:10:29 AM PST by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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His one major weakness in appealing to all conservatives is that he is for abortion rights.

Wrong.

1. War

2. Border

3. Terrorism

4. 2nd Amendment

You can't separate these issues.

Cultural Marxism ultimately leads to economic Marxism...


All cultures ARE NOT equal!

17 posted on 01/22/2008 5:16:37 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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Please do not shoot the messenger... but I am also capable of defending Rudy.. I see the same conservatism in Rudy that Prager sees - always have

(sniff, sniff) -- I smell ozone in the air. And the Viking Kitties are sharpening their Battle Axes and are getting ready to man the boats.

And Rooty's NO conservative. Ta-ta. (IBTZ)

18 posted on 01/22/2008 5:16:52 AM PST by Condor51 (I wouldn't vote for Rooty under any circumstance -- even if Waterboarded!)
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There is video out today of ROOTY begging like a 10 year old to drive a NASCAR pace car. Go see that and tell me what you think then.
19 posted on 01/22/2008 5:21:35 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Stop the unFair Tax now; before it is fair for your neighbor and not you.)
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Romney and McCain have just recently joined Rudy in calling for corporate tax rates to be slashed from 35% to 25%.

Rudy's been saying it for some time. They see that the proposal is a winner so have copied him.

I think Rudy's the best leader of the 3.

20 posted on 01/22/2008 5:22:53 AM PST by what's up
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He’s still pro-choice and I won’t vote for him.


21 posted on 01/22/2008 5:32:09 AM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3rd Bn. 5th Marines, RVN 1969. St. Michael the Archangel defend us in battle!)
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I will grant Dennis Prager a little leeway here, since it is clear from this article that he is thoroughly ignorant about Rudy Giuliani's background and track record.

Based on my assessment of his positions on various issues, I'd Rudy Giuliani would probably garner a rating from the American Conservative Union of about 20-25, which means this line from the article is so silly it hurts:

But Giuliani is not merely more of a conservative than John McCain. In fact, if it is Ronald Reagan that Republicans want, Giuliani is extraordinarily close to that venerated man.

Giuliani's well-documented track record is one of a big-government, nanny-state totalitarian. There is nothing conservative about him at all.

23 posted on 01/22/2008 5:36:41 AM PST by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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With all the negatives surfacing concerning our "9/11 hero mayor," I have yet to read anything referring to what I consider Giuliani's most evil deed. I refer to the cruel and very abrupt closing of the Neponsit Nursing Home.

Resident removal: a modern long-term care saga

U.S. and State Assail City in Closing of Queens Nursing Home

Judge Rules On Neponsit Health Care

Nursing Home Demolition To Be Pursued Despite Ruling

Vallone Says: Reopen Neponsit Home

Neponsit Refugees Win $5 Million Settlement from City

$5 Million Settlement Reached With City Over Evacuation of a Queens Nursing Home

In Queens, Closed Nursing Home Still Open to Controversy

25 posted on 01/22/2008 6:33:55 AM PST by Alice in Wonderland (Fred!)
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I’ve seen a ‘Guiliani’ administration. From January of 93 to January of 2001.

The only difference is we’ve never seen Bill Clinton, another guy that can’t keep his pants zipped, in drag.

Anyone that would even consider voting for a guy that thought suing gun manufacturers was a good thing cannot call themselves a Conservative.

Likewise, anyone that would even consider voting for a man that sued the Federal Government to block Welfare Reform cannot call themselves a Conservative.

Anyone that would vote for a man that routinely cross dresses, and LIKES IT...well, they’ve got some serious ‘issues’ of their own, and need therapy.

Just my opinion.


26 posted on 01/22/2008 6:37:09 AM PST by Badeye (No thanks, Huck, I'm not whitewashing the fence for you this election cycle)
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