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Tokyo shares sharply lower on US economic worries, stronger yen - UPDATE
Forbes ^ | Jan 21, 2008

Posted on 01/21/2008 6:14:28 PM PST by abigkahuna

TOKYO (Thomson Financial) - Japanese shares were sharply lower in early trade Tuesday as growing fears of a US recession and a stronger yen prompted investors to sell.

The benchmark Nikkei 225 Stock Average fell below 13,000 points for the first time since October 2005.

After their losses Monday, stocks continued to lose ground on the widespread view that President Bush's 145 billion US dollar stimulus plan may not be enough to pull the world's largest economy back from the edge of recession.

Adding to the nervousness was the yen's appreciation. The currency was last trading at 105.64 yen to the dollar, more than 1 yen stronger than its level late Monday.

At 9.38 am (0038 GMT), the blue chip Nikkei was down 594.22 points or 4.5 percent at 12,731.72, while the broader Topix was down 55.56 points or 4.3 percent at 1,238.18.

Many market economists and analysts seem dissatisfied with President Bush's package of measures intended to prevent the US economy from slipping into recession.

'Unless the US government decides to inject public funds into resolving the subprime loan issue, fears about the credit crunch may not go away,' said Osamu Tamada, a Mizuho Investors Securities strategist

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Here we go again. Tapei also opened lower. currently down about 7 percent. It will be a very interesting day on Wall Street Tuesday
1 posted on 01/21/2008 6:14:30 PM PST by abigkahuna
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2 posted on 01/21/2008 6:17:34 PM PST by Flavius (24/7)
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surpise rate cut by the fed before open?


3 posted on 01/21/2008 6:17:39 PM PST by janetjanet998
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My broker expects the DOW to be down 500 points tomorrow. Sounds like a lot of good buying opportunities.
4 posted on 01/21/2008 6:19:41 PM PST by Parley Baer
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surpise rate cut by the fed before open?

Would have worked last Friday. Now it will just contribute to the sense of desperation, IMHO. If he did it, it would have to be a full point cut, which i don't think Ben is ready to do.

5 posted on 01/21/2008 6:19:57 PM PST by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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My broker expects the DOW to be down 500 points tomorrow. Sounds like a lot of good buying opportunities.

Wait a bit, we are still not sure we have hit bottom. There is no rush. The market will gain it back slower than it dropped. See how the market acts around 11,500. If we bounce that will where it happens.

6 posted on 01/21/2008 6:22:00 PM PST by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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Cute. Now you could address the post in an intellectual manner, or you could attack the messenger. Your post is something I would expect from those with no sense of history.

Now either there is a true unwinding of the global markets or there is nothing except a short term dumping. Shortly we shall see.

There are those of us who have a memory of '29, either personally, or through parents who lived through that financial horror. I truly hope that this current situation that is unravelling before our eyes is not like '29. I am not ready for it...and it would put a severe crimp in my lifestlye. :)

Once again Flavius, I want to thank you for your insightful and very conservative post. It reminds me of the old Soviet Union, where if the party line isn't towed, its off to the old psych ward...

7 posted on 01/21/2008 6:27:14 PM PST by abigkahuna (Step on up folks and see the "Strange Thing" only a thin dollar, babies free)
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I agree, it would have worked last week, but now—it will look like panic. That’s what happened in 29, inaction and then wrong action


8 posted on 01/21/2008 6:32:01 PM PST by abigkahuna (Step on up folks and see the "Strange Thing" only a thin dollar, babies free)
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Dunno. Depends on how much debt you have, how close you are to needing your retirement money, if you need $$$ for medical, and finally if any of your investments have anything to do with housing and/or bonds.

I’m a young healthy man (knock on wood) in school with minimal debt. I’ll have an interesting time getting a career started but by the time I’m gray haired this will all be “back in the days”.

If your older say in your late 40’s have an IRA held by a fund that is exposed (almost all are) and you have some mounting health costs not to mention some consumer debt to pay off... well take comfort in the fact that there are enough people just like you that you guys are the new class to pander to.

Breadlines and grapes of wrath no. Buckling down and not buying a new plasma or nice car for the next 5-10 years probably. On the flip side if you do have some money to move around wait 2-3 weeks for this thing to bottom out and go get some solid stocks on the cheap sit on em and by 2012 you’ll be looking like that monopoly feller.


9 posted on 01/21/2008 6:36:13 PM PST by Eyes Unclouded (We won't ever free our guns but be sure we'll let them triggers go....)
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“solid stocks”

big cap?


10 posted on 01/21/2008 6:51:00 PM PST by spanalot (*)
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'Unless the US government decides to inject public funds into resolving the subprime loan issue, fears about the credit crunch may not go away,' said Osamu Tamada, a Mizuho Investors Securities strategist

The entire world wants uncle sam to bail out the stupid and greedy.

Perhaps because the entire world is stupid and greedy:)

11 posted on 01/21/2008 6:54:07 PM PST by Mariner
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"My broker expects the DOW to be down 500 points tomorrow. Sounds like a lot of good buying opportunities."

I expect the DOW to drop below 10k before June, and I'm not the only one.

12 posted on 01/21/2008 6:55:42 PM PST by Mariner
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Well that line may be tested way before June. I say, look for declines tomorrow, a dead cat bounce the day after and then steady declines to test that 10K line before Valentine’s Day. After that? Who knows?


13 posted on 01/21/2008 7:11:11 PM PST by abigkahuna (Step on up folks and see the "Strange Thing" only a thin dollar, babies free)
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What about public funds to keep the bond insurers afloat? If they go under, that means a total unwinding because of a loss of confidence in all financial instruments.


14 posted on 01/21/2008 7:12:41 PM PST by abigkahuna (Step on up folks and see the "Strange Thing" only a thin dollar, babies free)
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next thing they will tell me markets are not manipulated and there is no zero sum gain

anyway, lets find out how many hedge fund managers that held sub prime ponzi schemes ran away before they let the boat sink

also what is the next scam after housing market

is it oil and gold, im not impress with people panicking with the obvious

im more curios what the next big ponzi scheme will be

off to tulips


15 posted on 01/21/2008 7:21:11 PM PST by Flavius (24/7)
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It's PAST the point where "public funds" can bail this dog out.

International confidence in the US Treasury has diminished to the point that if there is ANYWHERE else to go, they'll go there. Our combined debt (consumer, state, federal and current account (trade)) is too high. There's LEGITIMATE questions as to whether we are willing, if not able, to pay it all back.

I believe there's very serious risk to the global financial infrastructure. I also believe it will be difficult for "Uncle Sam" to bail everyone out.

Stagflation, times 10.

16 posted on 01/21/2008 7:23:19 PM PST by Mariner
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Hey, if Japan and the rest of the world think bailing out the sub primers is a good idea then have at it!

Send cash now.

We’ll accept it!


17 posted on 01/21/2008 7:28:07 PM PST by DB
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Hard to believe there are still any buyers left...


18 posted on 01/21/2008 7:32:05 PM PST by GOPJ (McCain's NOT the man for the job.)
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My broker expects the DOW to be down 500 points tomorrow. Sounds like a lot of good buying opportunities.

For index puts?

19 posted on 01/21/2008 7:32:16 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurtureā„¢)
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Didn’t they pay any attention to the Democrat debate? Democrats will fix it all, the market should roar tomorrow.


20 posted on 01/21/2008 7:32:47 PM PST by Son House (Protection For Opportunity Seekers And Tax Payers From Congress Spending: Low Tax Rates !!!)
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