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OFFICIAL SOUTH CAROLINA PRIMARY THREAD

Posted on 01/19/2008 6:06:01 AM PST by vikingd00d

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To: MARTIAL MONK

No Conservative should ever consider voting for McCain. We worry the others will betray us. We know McCain will betray us. Look at his record for the last 8 years? Been nothing but betrayal and obstruction.

With any of the other canidates we have a seat at the table. We know John McCain will never listen to us on anything.

With McCain Conservatives would get maybe 10%. That would not be worth the enormous long term damage McCain would do to both the GOP and the Conservative Movement. With a McCain Administration we would have a mislabeled “Conservative” Administration pushing Democrat Party polices while the GOP took all the political fall out of the consequences of those disastrous decisions.

Just what could Conservatives expect to get from a McCain Administration? Based on McCain’s record for the last 8 years, we could expect to get tough talk on foreign policy and spending with no real action on any issue.

Do people forget the Democrats trying to get McCain to flip party’s in Jan 2006? Forget that Dems wanted McCain as their VP candidate in 2004?

How quickly the supposed Conservatives for McCain forget McCain’s political record. From Tax-cuts to the War to Judges McCain’s whole strategy has been to be as Liberal as possible and stay in the GOP.

Politically there is very little difference between Hillary and McCain. You get minor variations on this and that issue, like abortion, but over all McCain and Clinton share the same political philosophical outlook

McCain has done nothing for the Conservative movement in 8 years. While talking a good game on spending, he has done nothing. This is particularly galling considering all the issues CFR, Judges, Immigration Anti Torture Amendment-Gang of 14 etc etc etc issues which McCain was more then willing to throw his weight behind an issues to get legislation passed.

McCain has actively worked against the Conservatives on Social issues, on the WOT, on Iraq, on Gitmo, against Rummy, on Immigration and on Judges, on Global Warming etc etc etc etc etc. McCain has far more in common with Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama then he does with any Conservative.

Funny how the Talking Heads miss this. Out of 49 Republican Senators McCain has been ranked 45th by the American Conservative Union for his voting record!

McCain would be the worse of both worlds. A mislabeled “Conservative” Administration actively advancing the Democrat Party’s agenda while knifing Conservatives in the back daily. You could even count on a McCain Administration appointing Leftist Judges in order to avoid fighting with the Democrats in the US Senate.

Tough on Foreign Policy? You think Mr “Close Gitmo and extend the same legal protections US Citizens have to the terrorists” McCain is going to have a “tough” foreign policy? The father of the Baker Commission and the plan to surrender Iraq to Iran and Syria is “strong on Foreign Policy”? Not based on his recored. The wrost thing that a McCain Administration would do is it would fracture the few remaining GOP Congress critters into pro and anti McCain factions. McCain would be the worst of all world politically for the Conservatives.

At least with a Democrat Leftist Administration, as opposed to a McCain Leftist with a GOP Label Administration, the Democrats would get all the political fall out of their disastrous political decisions and the GOP would unite in fighting them. The worst of all possible worlds for Conservatives in 2008 would be McCain getting elected President.


2,321 posted on 01/19/2008 6:25:48 PM PST by MNJohnnie (Instead of "Swift Boaters", 2008 Democrats have "Short Bussers"-Freeper Sax)
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To: Shortstop7

The Democrats won’t be laughing much this week. They are having a pretty ugly fight going on right now with Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton vs. the Obama campaign and a deeply divided Democrat caucus who half seem to back Obama and half supporting the her highness Hillary. Expect the fight to get even uglier this week culminating with a loss for Hillary.


2,322 posted on 01/19/2008 6:25:52 PM PST by Terrence DoGood
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To: Petronski

Why....?


2,323 posted on 01/19/2008 6:25:54 PM PST by Dog
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To: STARWISE

I am at a loss.


2,324 posted on 01/19/2008 6:25:55 PM PST by HonestConservative (Shut the Huck Up)
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To: Jim Robinson

LOL!


2,325 posted on 01/19/2008 6:26:12 PM PST by patriciaruth (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1562436/posts)
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To: Tarpon

I, too, voted for Crist. But, I didn’t get a tee shirt. I just got screwed and no kissing was involved!


2,326 posted on 01/19/2008 6:26:24 PM PST by Road Warrior ‘04 (Officially Fredbacker1 but don't know how to change my name)
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To: vikingd00d

Bill Crystal is an idiot.


2,327 posted on 01/19/2008 6:26:24 PM PST by ditto h
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To: CedarDave

The encyclopedia missed a few.

* Arizona
* California
* Colorado
* Connecticut
* Delaware
* District of Columbia
* Florida
* Kansas
* Kentucky
* Maine
* Maryland
* Massachusetts
* Nebraska
* Nevada
* New Jersey
* New Mexico
* New York
* North Carolina
* Oklahoma
* Oregon
* Pennsylvania
* Rhode Island
* South Dakota
* Utah
* West Virginia
* Wyoming

http://www.fairvote.org/?page=1801


2,328 posted on 01/19/2008 6:26:28 PM PST by TheLion
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To: Jim Robinson
FReep this poll: Are you staying with your man or switching to another:

I'm for Fred as of now. If he drops out, it's McCain (*gag*). If it comes down to Romney versus Huckabee versus Rudy, I'll pull for Huck (*gag again*).

If it's Rudy or Flip.... they'd better start looking for some liberals to vote for them because I'm going to start giving the 3rd party guys a serious look.
2,329 posted on 01/19/2008 6:26:34 PM PST by Antoninus ("Make all the promises you have to." --Mitt Romney)
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To: Fawn

Look at how much media attention was given to South Carolina, which has 24 delegates, versus Nevada, which has 34.

Romney is well ahead in delegates, but you’d never know that by all the fawning over McCain.


2,330 posted on 01/19/2008 6:26:37 PM PST by B Knotts (If McCain wins, we lose.)
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To: RatsDawg

Of course he is! The MSM and some freepers don’t understand that you can still be someone’s friend, and NOT endorse him. The best of friendships are not blind, and there’s no way I can see Fred endorsing a friend whose so ideologically different.


2,331 posted on 01/19/2008 6:26:50 PM PST by rintense (Thompson / Hunter 2008!)
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To: Fawn
Guilliani is going to do well in florida. He’s everywhere!

As a pro-life libertarian, not a social conservative per se, I would vote for Rudy...twice...before voting for Huckster. Rudy can not win without the socon support behind him. Huck can not win without the economic conservative, limited Gubmint support behind him. Conservatism is hard. Liberalism is easy.

2,332 posted on 01/19/2008 6:27:02 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Antoninus

Yes in Massachusetts blind one where Mitt had the authority he preserved life and defend traditional marriage!

Do not confuse what Laws were in place before Mitt was in office or what was mandatory and the things the legislative done over ride his veto!


2,333 posted on 01/19/2008 6:27:11 PM PST by restornu (Understanding that Grace and Mercy is what one receives after all they can do!)
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To: TornadoAlley3

I’m jumping to Mitt if Fred hangs it up


2,334 posted on 01/19/2008 6:27:34 PM PST by Terrence DoGood
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To: Marcella

You did indeed!


2,335 posted on 01/19/2008 6:27:37 PM PST by Yaelle (If Fred loses it's our loss. Not his.)
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To: MNJohnnie

McCain is not high on my list, but I’d still prefer him to Hillary if it came down to it.


2,336 posted on 01/19/2008 6:27:44 PM PST by Truthsearcher
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To: Jim Robinson

Seriously, do you think Fred will do better in a more moderate state like Florida than in South Carolina?


2,337 posted on 01/19/2008 6:27:54 PM PST by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

OK, we just disagree on that. I’m not saying none would go elsewhere, but I think if Huck disappeared Fred would pick up most of his votes. McCain actively dissed the religious right, Romney is a Mormon, and Rudi is pro-abortion.

As I said, Huck has as much ‘right’ to his voters as anyone. I just am trying to understand how South Carolina ended up going strongly for McCain, not boost Fred or run anyone else down.

Cheers and thanks for your opinion.


2,338 posted on 01/19/2008 6:27:54 PM PST by Da Mav
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To: HonestConservative

See my post # 2,328


2,339 posted on 01/19/2008 6:27:59 PM PST by TheLion
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To: All
McCACA:... First of all dear friends... a BIG thanks to my buddie Freddie...yes FRED THOMPSON! (APPLAUSE!!...:)

Without his help I would not have been able to pull it out. By the way - wink wink - we all know who he will endorse when goes back to Hollywood, don't we (wink wink)



2,340 posted on 01/19/2008 6:28:04 PM PST by ElPatriota (Duncan Hunter 08 -- I am proud to support this man as my president)
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