BTTT!!!!!
If McCain is the nominee, millions of conservatives will stay home. Not nice that Asner is doing a job on him, but the Dems think it’s payback time for Swiftboat vets against Kerry.
In the end it won’t matter. McCain is a liberal Republican; actually, a RINO. Not gonna vote for him.
This is an Ed Asner cheap shot in an attempt to Swiftboat McCain. The trouble is, McCain really IS a hero .. not a phony like Kerry. I don't know how they think this is going to help them. It is only going to show them for the disgusting anti-american rats that they are.
Ed Adsner is an unrepentant Communist Socialist and I'd say the most liberal of the west coast nut jobs. ...and that's saying something.
I will say this for MeCain. At least he isn't telling us every that that he served in Vietnam, spending Christmas at the Hanoi Hilton.
Well, doesn’t this fly into the face of the McCain-Feingold campaign finance reform law? It would seem this were a campaign tactic, put out by a third party, that is a direct SUPPORT of a particular candidate, something I thought was illegal under the terms of that law. It is apparently perfectly legal to make disparaging comments about an opponent or rival for the same office, so long as the candidate who benefits never has mention of his (or her) own name in conjunction with the scurrilous attack. By logical extension, then, for outside entities to actively SUPPORT the candidacy of anyone, who are not directly a part of the campaign itself, is equally as illegal and immoral, because, in that case, there is no mention whatsoever of any of the competitors in an similarly positive sense.
A sort of reverse karma.
And the newspaper editorials cannot even talk about it.
Hate talk is endorsed, the truth be cursed for the obstacle it is.
I salute your military service in VietNam.
.....but.....the majority of your policy positions are damnable and dead wrong, excepting the surge.
The surge,which, many Freepers were calling for in 2004 at the time of Fallujah One, when they killed the blackwater contractors, so we Freeper arm chair generals,were way ahead of you on that.
BTTT!!!!!
Memorandum for: Vice Chairman, Senate Select Committee on Prisoners of War and Missing in Action
From: John F. McCreary
Subject: Possible Violations of Title 18, U.S.C., Section 2071, by the Select Committee and Possible Ethical Misconduct by Staff Attorneys.
1. Continuing analysis of relevant laws and further review of the events between 8 April and 16 April 1992 connected with the destruction of the Investigators' Intelligence Briefing Text strongly indicate that the order to destroy all copies of that briefing text on 9 April and the actual destruction of copies of the briefing texts plus the purging of computer files might constitute violations of Title 18, U.S.C., Section 2071, which imposes criminal penalties for unlawful document destruction. Even absent a finding of criminal misconduct, statements, actions, and failures to act by the senior Staff attorneys following the 9 April briefing might constitute serious breaches of ethical standards of conduct for attorneys, in addition to violations of Senate and Select Committee rules. The potential consequences of these possible misdeeds are such that they should be brought to the attention of all members of the Select Committee, plus all Designees and Staff members who were present at the 9 April briefing.
2. The relevant section of Title 18, U.S.C., states in pertinent part: Section 2071. Concealment, removal, or mutilation generally (a) Whoever willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so takes and carries away any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing, filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial or public officer of the United States, shall be fined not more than $2,000 or imprisoned not more than three years, or both. (June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 795)
3. The facts as the undersigned and others present at the briefing recall them are presented in the attached Memorandum for the Record. A summary of those facts - and others that have been established since that Memorandum was written - follows.
a. On 8 April 1992, the Investigators' Intelligence Briefing Text was presented to Senior Staff members and Designees for whom copies were available prior to beginning the briefing. Objections to the text by the Designees prompted the Staff Director to order all persons present to leave their copies of the briefing text in Room SRB078. Subsequent events indicated that two copies had been removed without authorization.
b. On 9 April 1992, at the beginning of the meeting of the Select Committee and prior to the scheduled investigators' briefing, Senator McCain produced a copy of the intelligence briefing text, with whose contents he strongly disagreed. He charged that the briefing text had already been leaked to a POW/MIA activist, but was reassured by the Chairman that such was not the case. He replied that he was certain it would be leaked. Whereupon, the Chairman assured Senator McCain that there would be no leaks because all copies would be gathered and destroyed, and he gave orders to that effect. No senior staff member or attorney present cautioned against a possible violation of Title 18, U.S.C., Section 2071, or of Senate or Select Committee Rules.
c. Following the briefing on 9 April, the Staff Director, Ms. Frances Zwenig, restated to the intelligence investigators the order to destroy the intelligence briefing text and took measures to ensure execution of the destruction order. (See paragraph 3 of the attachment.) During one telephone conversation with the undersigned, she stated that she was "acting under orders."
d. The undersigned also was instructed to delete all computer files, which Mr. Barry Valentine witnessed on 9 April.
e. In a meeting on 15 April 1992, the Staff's Chief Counsel, J. William Codinha, was advised by intelligence investigators of their concerns about the possibility that they had committed a crime by participating in the destruction of the briefing text. Mr. Codinha minimized the significance of the documents and of their destruction. He admonished the investigators for "making a mountain out of a molehill."
f. When investigators repeated their concern that the order to destroy the documents might lead to criminal charges, Mr. Codinha replied "Who's the injured party." He was told, "The 2,494 families of the unaccounted for US Servicemen, among others." Mr. Codinha then said, "Who's gonna tell them. It's classified." At that point the meeting erupted. The undersigned stated that the measure of merit was the law and what's right, not avoidance of getting caught. To which Mr. Codinha made no reply. At no time during the meeting did Mr. Codinha give any indication that any copies of the intelligence briefing text existed.
g. Investigators, thereupon, repeatedly requested actions by the Committee to clear them of any wrongdoing, such as provision of legal counsel. Mr. Codinha admitted that he was not familiar with the law and promised to look into it. He invited a memorandum from the investigators stating what they wanted. Given Mr. Codinha's statements and reactions to the possibility of criminal liability, the investigators concluded they must request appointment of an independent counsel. A memorandum making such a request and signed by all six intelligence investigators was delivered to Mr. Codinha on 16 April.
h. At 2130 on 16 April, the Chairman of the Senate Select Committee, convened a meeting with the intelligence investigators, who told him personally of their concern that they might have committed a crime by participating in the destruction of the briefing texts at the order of the Staff Director. Senator Kerry stated that he gave the order to destroy the documents, not the Staff Director, and that none of the Senators present at the meeting had objected. He also stated that the issue of document destruction was "moot" because the original briefing text had been deposited with the Office of Senate Security "all along." Both the Staff Director and the Chief Counsel supported this assertion by the Chairman.
i. Senator Kerry's remarks prompted follow-up investigations (See paragraphs 4 through 9 of the attachment) and inquiries that established that a copy of the text was not deposited in the Office of Senate Security until the afternoon of 16 April. The Staff Director has admitted that on the afternoon of 16 April, after receiving a copy of a memorandum from Senator Bob Smith to Senator Kerry in which Senator Smith outlined his concerns about the destruction of documents, she obtained a copy of the intelligence briefing text from the office of Senator McCain and took it to the Office of Senate Security. Office of Senate Security personnel confirmed that the Staff Director gave them an envelope, marked "Eyes Only," to be placed in her personal file. The Staff Director has admitted that the envelope contained the copy of the intelligence briefing text that she obtained from the office of Senator McCain.
3. The facts of the destruction of the intelligence briefing text would seem to fall inside the prescriptions of the Statute, Title 18, U.S.C., Section 2071, so as to justify their referral for investigation to a competent law enforcement authority. The applicability of that Statute was debated in United States v. Poindexter, D.D.C. 1989, 725 F. Supp. 13, in connection with the Iran Contra investigation. The District Court ruled, inter alia, that the National Security Council is a public office within the meaning of the Statute and, thus, that its records and documents fell within the protection of the Statute. In light of that ruling, the Statute would seem to apply to this Senate Select Committee and its Staff. The continued existence of a "bootleg" copy of the intelligence briefing text - i.e., a copy that is not one of those made by the investigators for the purpose of briefing the Select Committee - would seem to be irrelevant to the issues of intent to destroy and willfulness; as well as to the issue of responsibility for the order to destroy all copies of the briefing text, for the attempt to carry out that order, and for the destruction that actually was accomplished in execution of that order.
4. As for the issue of misconduct by Staff attorneys, all member of the Bar swear to uphold the law. That oath may be violated by acts of omission and commission. Even without a violation of the Federal criminal statute, the actions and failures to act by senior Staff attorneys in the sequence of events connected with the destruction of the briefing text might constitute violations
of ethical standards for members of the Bar and of both Senate and Select Committee rules. The statements, actions and failures to act during and after the meeting on 15 April, when the investigators gave notice of their concern about possible criminal liability for document destruction, would seem to reflect disregard for the law and for the rules of the United States Senate.
John F. McCreary
Not every war hero is qualified to be President. Examine the issues. He’s a liberal.
Ed Asner and John McCain BOTH suck.
He should stick to his other job. He does animated character voices now that his appearance has become (more) terrifying.
Here is an interesting post from Calpernia...
(1990) John McCain said on the floor of the Senate: “Mr. President, I am anxious to construct a new relationship with our old adversary (Vietnam)”. He, who was in a Vietnamese prison camps for five and a half years, was pushing hard for normalized relations with Hanoi long before anyone else was.
Between when Clinton said that he would not normalize relations with Vietnam until there was a full accounting of POWs/MIAs and the time he lifted the Trade Embargo only two Americans had been accounted for in Vietnam.
Lifting the embargo opened the door for the multi-billion dollar corporation, Lippo Group with American business partners, such as Stephens Investment of Little Rock, AR to conduct business in Vietnam. Mr A. Vernon Weaver, at that time the Vice-President for Operations in the Pacific Rim of Stephens Investment and a member of the Board of Visitors at the U.S. Naval Academy was instrumental in arranging an upgrade of the position of Commandant of the U.S. Naval Academy from two stars to four stars.
Former U.S. Navy officers, Senators John Kerry and John McCain supported this reorganization.
http://www.usvetdsp.com/billbell.htm
An indication of just how deep and subtle Red Chinese roots run in U.S. business and government affairs deals with McCain and Kerry. Both McCain and Kerry fought long and hard to provide the political cover Clinton needed when he made the controversial decision to normalize relations with Vietnam. McCain’s wife, Cindy, is the daughter of James Hensley, who is the second largest Anheuser-Busch distributor in the United States. McCain is an officer in Hensley & Co. and Cindy is a vice president. The McCain family owns several million dollars in Anheuser-Busch stock.
As a part of an aggressive campaign to enhance its international standing in the beer market, Anheuser-Busch has had signned contracts and invested hundreds of millions building brewery operations in China and Vietnam. I can’t link any of those contracts involve Lippo. Some docs retrieved from the net revealed that Riady’s Lippo is the holder of a license for Sea World in Indonesia and that Anheuser-Busch owns all the Sea World themeparks in the United States as well as some overseas.
Is there a connection between Anheuser-Busch and Lippo?
http://www.usvetdsp.com/billbell.htm
SeaWorld/Lippo Connection:
Old URL: http://www.lippo.co.id/Main.htm
Internet Cache: http://web.archive.org/web/19980530014836/http://www.lippo.co.id/Main.htm
Net cache shows Lippo holds/held the license on Sea World in Indonesia.
“Today I am lifting the trade embargo against Vietnam because I am absolutely convinced it offers us the best way to resolve the fate of those who remain missing and about whom we are not sure.” Two things happened between November 1992 and February 1994 which bear on this issue. One was that Senators John Kerry and John McCain lobbied the president to drop the embargo. The second thing was that in September 1993 the head of the Lippo Group, Mochtar Riady, led a trade mission of Asian bankers on a trip to Vietnam to (in his words) “size up business opportunities there.” Lippo helps, among other things, to finance trade deals. It therefore stood to benefit enormously from expanded trade between Vietnam and the United States;
Old URL: http://www.empower.org/html/policy/misc/roadmap3.htm
See Internet Cache:
http://web.archive.org/web/20000816001233/http://www.empower.org/html/policy/misc/roadmap3.htm
Ed Asner represents the generation and the type who protested the Vietnam War and spit on the veterans when they came home. NOW he is a champion of POWs and of our troops? I don’t think so. Yes, he is only narrating but implying a point of view. And he has also gotten photo ops at a well-known troop support organization. But in truth he represents people who despise our military and our nation. He was active in backing the Sandinista regime in Nicaragua, for example. He should be on the top 10 of everyone’s list of traitors.
At the same time, there is much that is questionable re McCain’s political activities on the committee he co-chaired with Kerry, and he is WIDELY unpopular with veterans, particularly Navy veterans. However, if this “documentary” goes too far in its allegations and implications, it could just add to his image of martyrdom. It is another “Swift boat” attempt, too ironic for words.
I see in the press release, he is alleged to have made radio broadcasts of “propaganda for the North Vietnamese.” Can they back this up? Can it be explained by the wish to remain alive? I don’t know. But, at present, I do not consider McCain on a par with Fonda. For all his political scurrilousness, I do not consider him a traitor.
Asner, a traitor. McCain, not a traitor. Not interested in the film.
ping
The title you created “Documentary on McCain:Missing, Presumed Dead:The Search for America’s POWs *MAJOR BARF ALERT*” did not match the title at the source.
Just use published titles. Thanks.
Ping.