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To: america4vr
This is really disgusting. Is it true? I dont' know and I don't care !!! The man was injured, beaten, abused and whatever he did to stay alive is fine with me.

This is an Ed Asner cheap shot in an attempt to Swiftboat McCain. The trouble is, McCain really IS a hero .. not a phony like Kerry. I don't know how they think this is going to help them. It is only going to show them for the disgusting anti-american rats that they are.

4 posted on 01/19/2008 4:52:05 AM PST by CometBaby (You can twist perceptions .. reality won't budge!)
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To: CometBaby

>>>The man was injured, beaten, abused and whatever he did to stay alive is fine with me.

What about what he did after he came home?

If those live sighting reports weren’t shredded, the embargo would never have held.

Beer for blood?

(1990) John McCain said on the floor of the Senate: “Mr. President, I am anxious to construct a new relationship with our old adversary (Vietnam)”. He, who was in a Vietnamese prison camps for five and a half years, was pushing hard for normalized relations with Hanoi long before anyone else was.

Between when Clinton said that he would not normalize relations with Vietnam until there was a full accounting of POWs/MIAs and the time he lifted the Trade Embargo only two Americans had been accounted for in Vietnam.

Lifting the embargo opened the door for the multi-billion dollar corporation, Lippo Group with American business partners, such as Stephens Investment of Little Rock, AR to conduct business in Vietnam. Mr A. Vernon Weaver, at that time the Vice-President for Operations in the Pacific Rim of Stephens Investment and a member of the Board of Visitors at the U.S. Naval Academy was instrumental in arranging an upgrade of the position of Commandant of the U.S. Naval Academy from two stars to four stars.

Former U.S. Navy officers, Senators John Kerry and John McCain supported this reorganization.

http://www.usvetdsp.com/billbell.htm

An indication of just how deep and subtle Red Chinese roots run in U.S. business and government affairs deals with McCain and Kerry. Both McCain and Kerry fought long and hard to provide the political cover Clinton needed when he made the controversial decision to normalize relations with Vietnam. McCain’s wife, Cindy, is the daughter of James Hensley, who is the second largest Anheuser-Busch distributor in the United States. McCain is an officer in Hensley & Co. and Cindy is a vice president. The McCain family owns several million dollars in Anheuser-Busch stock.

As a part of an aggressive campaign to enhance its international standing in the beer market, Anheuser-Busch has had signned contracts and invested hundreds of millions building brewery operations in China and Vietnam. I can’t link any of those contracts involve Lippo. Some docs retrieved from the net revealed that Riady’s Lippo is the holder of a license for Sea World in Indonesia and that Anheuser-Busch owns all the Sea World themeparks in the United States as well as some overseas.

Is there a connection between Anheuser-Busch and Lippo?
http://www.usvetdsp.com/billbell.htm

SeaWorld/Lippo Connection:

Old URL: http://www.lippo.co.id/Main.htm

Internet Cache: http://web.archive.org/web/19980530014836/http://www.lippo.co.id/Main.htm

Net cache shows Lippo holds/held the license on Sea World in Indonesia.

“Today I am lifting the trade embargo against Vietnam because I am absolutely convinced it offers us the best way to resolve the fate of those who remain missing and about whom we are not sure.” Two things happened between November 1992 and February 1994 which bear on this issue. One was that Senators John Kerry and John McCain lobbied the president to drop the embargo. The second thing was that in September 1993 the head of the Lippo Group, Mochtar Riady, led a trade mission of Asian bankers on a trip to Vietnam to (in his words) “size up business opportunities there.” Lippo helps, among other things, to finance trade deals. It therefore stood to benefit enormously from expanded trade between Vietnam and the United States;

Old URL: http://www.empower.org/html/policy/misc/roadmap3.htm

See Internet Cache:

http://web.archive.org/web/20000816001233/http://www.empower.org/html/policy/misc/roadmap3.htm


12 posted on 01/19/2008 5:19:30 AM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: CometBaby; america4vr; All
This is really disgusting. Is it true? I dont' know and I don't care !!! The man was injured, beaten, abused and whatever he did to stay alive is fine with me.

Unless, of course, anything that he did put American lives or military operations at risk. At the Vietnam Veterans Against John McCain website the argument is made that McCain violated the code of conduct for favors, abandoning his fellow POWs. The documents they site are here, here, here, and here.

The documents seem pretty suspect to me. IMO, propaganda used by the N. Vietnamese. But, combined with other facts about his role on the Senate Select Committee on POW and MIA back in the early 90's, as sited by Freepers and the website above, I'm a bit suspect of the man.

I will, however, reserve judgment until someone can convince me otherwise, or present me with facts that I just have not found. Until then, he is still a hero in my book.

I still don't want him as President, though.
26 posted on 01/19/2008 6:24:06 AM PST by raynearhood ("Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them."- Ronald Reagan)
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To: CometBaby

I think McCain is a traitor...

Selling our country to any ILLEGAL who feels like invading...

OUR COUNTRY IS BEING INVADED AND MCCAIN IS AIDING THE ENEMY!


33 posted on 01/19/2008 7:44:58 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: CometBaby
“McCain really IS a hero”

I spent 52-53 in the mountains of Korea with some of the ugliest specimens of humanity the Lord ever placed on this earth (they would say the same about me) and I can guarantee you, NONE of us are Heroes by any stretch of the imagination. We just did the job we were trained to do.(mostly on-the-job training, I might add)

With all due respect to all the POWs, how do you define a POW as a hero unless he has done something heroic?

34 posted on 01/19/2008 8:12:49 AM PST by elpadre
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