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Ancient Islamic Texts Resurface (Impugning The Legitimacy of the Koran,Islam)
The Third Eye Concept ^ | January 14, 2008 | Staff

Posted on 01/19/2008 2:38:36 AM PST by america4vr

Islam watchers blogged all weekend about news that a secret archive of ancient Islamic texts had surfaced after 60 years of suppression. Andrew Higgins' Wall Street Journal report that the photographic record of Koranic manuscripts, supposedly destroyed during World War II but occulted by a scholar of alleged Nazi sympathies, reads like a conflation of the Da Vinci Code with Indiana Jones and the Holy Grail.

The Da Vinci Code offered a silly fantasy in which Opus Dei, homicidal monks and twisted billionaires chased after proof that Christianity is a hoax. But the story of the photographic archive of the Bavarian Academy of Sciences, now ensconced in a Berlin vault, is a case of life imitating truly dreadful art. It even has Nazis. "I hate those guys!" as Indiana Jones said.

No one is going to produce proof that Jesus Christ did not rise from the grave three days after the Crucifixion, of course. Humankind will choose to believe or not that God revealed Himself in this fashion. But Islam stands at risk of a Da Vinci Code effect, for in Islam, God's self-revelation took the form not of the Exodus, nor the revelation at Mount Sinai, nor the Resurrection, but rather a book, namely the Koran. The Encyclopaedia of Islam (1982) observes, "The closest analogue in Christian belief to the role of the Koran in Muslim belief is not the Bible, but Christ." The Koran alone is the revelatory event in Islam.

What if scholars can prove beyond reasonable doubt that the Koran was not dictated by the Archangel Gabriel to the Prophet Mohammad during the 7th century, but rather was redacted by later writers drawing on a variety of extant Christian and Jewish sources?

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 7thcentury; godsgravesglyphs; islam; koran; muhammud
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To: Cvengr
You set up a false opposition or rivalry, it seems, between God and Church. The Church was founded by God. The Church belongs to God. God operated through his Church. The Church is the Bride of Christ. You'd have to ignore the Acts of the Apostles and all the history of the New Testament Church which we have in the Letters, to maintain that God has no use for the Church.

Ephesians 3:10-11
His intent was that now, through the Church, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms, according to his eternal purpose which he accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord.

"...if he refuses to listen even to the Church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector." - Jesus Christ

121 posted on 01/20/2008 11:21:21 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Blessed be God in His angels and in His saints.)
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To: Cvengr

Your difficulty here, I think, is that you view Christ’s Church as merely “a man or an institution.” The Church is Crist’s Bride. In another mystical image, the Church is the Body of Christ. Scripture likewise says the Church is “the pillar and foundation of the Truth.” This is no merely institutional view. It sjows that the Church is God’s instrument, in CHrist and throught he power of the Holy Spirit, for the salvation of the world.


122 posted on 01/20/2008 11:25:44 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Blessed be God in His angels and in His saints.)
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To: SampleMan

“What about the 28 little boys that are promised to the true believer?”

Well, the Islams don’t mention that little fact much, since their religion also tells them to KILL HOMOSEXUALS.

Admitting that it is 100 virgins, 72 female and 28 male, would be in contradiction to their belief that homosexuality is wrong.

Besides, the essential element of the Koran is that one must not “think” while accepting the precepts that they read in the Koran.

Just like this. If one’s wife is unfaithful, one can kill her. One can also rape anyone else’s wife, without risk.

Homosexuality is punishable by death, only if you get caught, and you may kill anyone who tries to tell on you. (there are hundreds of ‘reasons’ in the Koran to use to be able to kill anyone you need to, should they want to do something to expose you)

A book similar to the Koran could be devised this way.

Take all the serial killer’s, rapists, murderers, thieves, liars, and write down all the excuses they use for justifying their crimes.

PUt them all in one book. TADA! The Koran.


123 posted on 01/20/2008 11:41:08 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (Just saying what 'they' won't.)
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To: dayglored

124 posted on 01/20/2008 11:45:53 AM PST by america4vr (The ebb and flow of empires have come and gone but America shall forever reign supreme.)
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To: PapaBear3625
The description of heaven as depicted by Islam as reward for a devout, strictly adhered to life of a Muslim has always struck me as an eminently revealing aspect into the primitive mind of the Arab mentality and to the very legitimacy of Islam as God's word.

Islam is the only religion, the only belief system in a supernatural deity that entices its adherents with the promise of a decidedly puerile, salacious, beastial, unspiritual nature, with the promise of an eternal afterlife of carnal indulgence without end.

No other religion resorts to the sort of whorish pandering in which Islam exhorts it followers by virtue of the basest of Man's primal urges.

Historically, religions have always looked upon the sex act as being of the Devil, as vile, unholy, unclean, as a necessary evil to be engaged in for the sake of procreation only.

Other religions describe heaven only in the most abstract, following the word of God deemed good, worthy enough as its own reward.

Simply put, this central tenet of Islam's belief system has always struck me as the very indication, proof of its wholly unGodly decidedly terrestrial nature I will ever need.

125 posted on 01/20/2008 12:33:17 PM PST by america4vr (The ebb and flow of empires have come and gone but America shall forever reign supreme.)
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To: paudio

This is what the Catholic Church did when they cannonized the Bible.

John


126 posted on 01/20/2008 12:41:40 PM PST by Diggity
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To: wildbill

The First Council of Nicaea in 325 was called by Constantine I. Justinian reigned from 527 to 565. He called a council too (Constantinople II, in 553) but it isn’t as famous or important as Nicaea I.


127 posted on 01/20/2008 1:14:00 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: america4vr
If you look at Islam, and at Mohammad, the purpose of Islam is to grant approval to the lifestyle and attitudes of a sand pirate

The Qu'ran states that Mohammad is the perfect man, whose life is to be emulated. And what was Mohammad, that most perfect of men? He was a bandit, who supported himself by robbing caravans and plundering cities. He was a murderer, who had a woman killed for making a poem which mocked him. He was a rapist, who took a captive Jewish girl to his bed after having her husband and relatives killed.

Islam rests upon the foundation of having its standard of perfection of conduct be that of a psychopath

128 posted on 01/20/2008 1:28:17 PM PST by PapaBear3625
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To: america4vr
I was also reading this other thread, which you might find interesting The development of a jihadist's mind
129 posted on 01/20/2008 1:29:49 PM PST by PapaBear3625
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To: UCANSEE2

You forget that they have a different definition of homosexuality than we do in the West. Essentially, its OK to be the “man” in the sexual act. Only the male playing the part of the female is considered to be a homosexual.

But as you pointed out, its just another “special clause” in Islam to allow the deviant to do as they wish.


130 posted on 01/20/2008 2:03:50 PM PST by SampleMan
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To: Fred Nerks; ken21; Berosus

Thanks FN and Ken21. Berosus, wasn’t there a story about a group of students in a Saudi school who threw their instructor out the window because he tried to discuss the authorship of the Quran?


131 posted on 01/20/2008 4:35:06 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__________________Profile updated Wednesday, January 16, 2008)
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thanks Perdogg.

Coast-to-coast AM 01.18.08.(2am EST)
Glenn Kimball will discuss history of the Koran
C2C AM | 01.19.08
Posted on 01/20/2008 1:41:22 AM EST by Perdogg
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1956567/posts

Indiana Jones meets the Da Vinci Code
Asia times | 14 jan 08 | Spengler
Posted on 01/14/2008 3:56:52 PM EST by rellimpank
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1953611/posts


132 posted on 01/20/2008 4:57:08 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__________________Profile updated Wednesday, January 16, 2008)
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To: america4vr

My confidence was shaken in this article when the first thing that appeared at the link was:

“Did Jesus settle down in Japan?”

With sushi no doubt.

Maybe they were speaking of baseballer, Jesus Alou. But, I didn’t read the article to find out.


133 posted on 01/20/2008 5:01:55 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain! True Supporters of Our Troops Support the Necessity of their Sacrifice!)
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To: Wilhelm Tell

One of the big reasons I think Westerners don’t understand the Islamic world is that things like the law of excluded middle never quite reached that part of the world and we attempt to understand their politics in terms of our own philosophical heritage and get confused when it doesn’t make sense to us.


134 posted on 01/20/2008 5:22:28 PM PST by garbanzo (Government is not the solution to our problems. Government is the problem.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Cyberpunks too?


135 posted on 01/20/2008 7:29:23 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: AdmSmith
An English translation of the Luxenberg book is now available “The Syro-Aramaic Reading of the Koran” http://www.verlag-hans-schiler.de/index.php?title=Christoph+Luxenberg+The+Syro-Aramaic+Reading+of+the+Koran&art_no=M0088

Wow!!! Thanks!!!

136 posted on 01/20/2008 9:16:46 PM PST by Dajjal
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To: america4vr

bump


137 posted on 01/20/2008 9:31:53 PM PST by VOA
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To: AdmSmith

Thanks. I’d lost track of that


138 posted on 01/21/2008 6:00:48 AM PST by nuconvert ("Terrorism is not the enemy. It is a means to the ends of militant Islamism." MZJ)
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To: dayglored

To which Shaheed replies, I’ll take 72 white raisins instead,


139 posted on 01/21/2008 6:04:53 AM PST by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we write in marble. JHuett)
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To: america4vr

Sheheed and the Raisinettes.


140 posted on 01/21/2008 6:17:49 AM PST by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we write in marble. JHuett)
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