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AIDS Patients Face Downside of Living Longer (effects of AIDS drugs "worse than having AIDS")
New York Times ^ | January 6, 2008 | JANE GROSS

Posted on 01/15/2008 6:18:55 AM PST by GodGunsGuts

Those explanations do not satisfy Larry Kramer, founder of several AIDS advocacy groups. Mr. Kramer, 73 and a long-term survivor, said he had always suspected “it was only a matter of time before stuff like this happened” given the potency of the antiretroviral drugs. “How long will the human body be able to tolerate that constant bombardment?” he asked. “Well, we are now seeing that many bodies can’t. Once again, just as we thought we were out of the woods, sort of, we have good reason again to be really scared.”

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: aids; drugs; duesberg; homosexualagenda
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To: tacticalogic

The key is a grassroots campaign to demand that our local congressional reps hold hearings and start asking the tough questions. That’s why the House of Reps have small districts and have to run for election every two years. The framers designed their office so they would be accountable to THE PEOPLE.

“The information set forth in this book should be read by anyone interested in the AIDS issue. The government has evolved an enormous scientific bureaucracy which may be premised on chasing the wrong horse. I suggest a full-scale Congressional investigation be conducted to dig out the answers.” —Congressman Bill Dannemeyer (re: Duesberg’s book “Inventing the AIDS Virus”)


41 posted on 01/15/2008 9:00:40 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: Chickensoup

wow...I didn’t know that. Most of them can still work for a long time with aids. What a disgrace.


42 posted on 01/15/2008 9:02:18 AM PST by fabian
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To: <1/1,000,000th%

It certainly deserves to be looked into. But that doesn’t explain completely healthy, non drug using, non promiscuous, heterosexual men, women and children who have died of “AIDS.” I submit that these individuals were exclusively killed by AIDS chemotherapy drugs—especially AZT.


43 posted on 01/15/2008 9:04:03 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Well, I’m supposed to be working, so I scanned the article, instead of reading it carefully :)

The paper hypothesized that recreational/illegal drug use is associated with AIDS related symptoms. It also hypothesizes that drugs currently used to treat HIV infection are related to AIDS symptoms.

With my admittedly limited attention to the subject I can say that AIDS-related deaths were very common prior to the release of AZT and the other drug(s). AIDS was a death sentence, causing some people to clamor for increased research funding.

Now, people still die, albeit at a slower rate, and not always predictably. The effects of the disease and treatment drugs combined are not always pretty, and some genetic differences in predisposition to problems are likely.

My wife’s experience is often with people who are non-compliant in their treatment of their HIV infections. These people often die in the 20’s and 30’s. In her experience of an admittedly limited sample, people who are HIV+, 50+, and non-compliant with meds are rare in the ICU. So, they are either dead, or comparatively “healthy”.

If the complainers think the treatments are causing them problems, it is within their right to terminate treatment. Their actions speak more about their opinions than their words - kinda like Huckabee’s “Tax me more” program /OT.

Concerning the hypotheses in article 2, people who exhibit extreme drug use and other behavioral disorders probably don’t eat their vegetables, get enough sleep at night, exercise, say their prayers, go to the dentist, etc, They will be prone to many and diverse problems.


44 posted on 01/15/2008 9:06:26 AM PST by rusty millet
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To: GodGunsGuts

Who dies of AIDS anymore?


45 posted on 01/15/2008 9:09:05 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: ConorMacNessa; Hildy

ConorMacNessa is right. Their behavior is intrinsically evil. However, the Christian thing to do is to pray and act for their repentence, for they are threatened with going to “not a nice place” in the afterlife.


46 posted on 01/15/2008 9:09:40 AM PST by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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To: rusty millet
All very good points. However, if you take the time to read Duesberg’s paper closely, I think you will find that all these anomalies are addressed and answered. What’s unfortunate in regards to the AIDS debate is that very few people are willing or feel qualified to take the time to sort these issues out.
47 posted on 01/15/2008 9:13:12 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: <1/1,000,000th%

Although AIDS is in decline, the same risk groups are dying of AIDS. But in addition to that, otherwise healthy HIV+ heterosexual men, women and children are still being put on AIDS chemotherapy drugs.


48 posted on 01/15/2008 9:15:28 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
The key is a grassroots campaign to demand that our local congressional reps hold hearings and start asking the tough questions. That’s why the House of Reps have small districts and have to run for election every two years. The framers designed their office so they would be accountable to THE PEOPLE.

Unfortunately, Congress has fallen into the practice of transferring their power to unelected and largely unanswerable bureaucrats. Welcome to the New Deal.

49 posted on 01/15/2008 9:15:29 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: <1/1,000,000th%

Everyone has AIDS!
AIDS AIDS AIDS!
AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS!
Everyone has AIDS!

And so this is the end of our story
And everyone is dead from AIDS
It took from me my best friend
My only true pal
My only bright star (he died of AIDS)

Well I’m gonna march on Washington
Lead the fight and charge the brigades
There’s a hero inside of all of us
I’ll make them see everyone has AIDS

My father (AIDS!)
My sister (AIDS!)
My uncle and my cousin and her best friend (AIDS AIDS AIDS!)
The gays and the straights
And the white and the spades

Everyone has AIDS!
My grandma and my dog ‘ol blue (AIDS AIDS AIDS)
The pope has got it and so do you (AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS)
C’mon everybody we got quilting to do (AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS)
We gotta break down these baricades, everyone has
AIDS! x 20


50 posted on 01/15/2008 9:17:39 AM PST by dfwgator (11+7+15=3 Heismans)
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To: tacticalogic

No doubt that things have gone down hill since the New Deal. But our congressional reps are still susceptible to (and can do something about) local pressure from their constituents.


51 posted on 01/15/2008 9:17:52 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: InterceptPoint
As I said "This was in the early days of the epidemic"

These antiviral drugs weren't available. They never realized she had aids until she was almost dead.

52 posted on 01/15/2008 9:18:46 AM PST by joshhiggins
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To: InterceptPoint
As I said "This was in the early days of the epidemic"

These antiviral drugs weren't available. They never realized she had aids until she was almost dead.

53 posted on 01/15/2008 9:18:58 AM PST by joshhiggins
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To: joshhiggins

What year was this, and what AIDS-defining disease(s) did she die of???


54 posted on 01/15/2008 9:20:27 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
But our congressional reps are still susceptible to (and can do something about) local pressure from their constituents.

I'm skeptical. The beltway bureaucracy is a natural constituent of Democrats and their big-government social engineering ideas. They're well entrenched and well versed in the ways of Washington and can sandbag a investigation into oblivion if they want to, particularly if they get a little help from their liberal/Democratic allies in the legislature. The deck is heavily stacked against any conservative investigation of the actions, policies, and agenda of the bureaucracy.

55 posted on 01/15/2008 9:24:31 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

Again, you might be right. But in the meantime, the press that such an investigation would serve to make more and more people aware of the scandal. These things sometimes have a way of snowballing and getting completely out of the hands of big-government bureaucrats. Having said that, I don’t doubt that they would fight such an investigation with everything they have.


56 posted on 01/15/2008 9:36:13 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: dfwgator

LOL!


57 posted on 01/15/2008 9:38:09 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: GodGunsGuts

Maybe. Personally, I’d suspect that the press would be just as complicit in helping burying it.


58 posted on 01/15/2008 9:38:27 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

The MSM would most certainly try to 1) ignore and then 2) undermine such an investigation. Sounds like the kind of battle the conservative rank and file are used to fighting, no?


59 posted on 01/15/2008 9:44:26 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
However, if you take the time to read Duesberg’s paper closely, I think you will find that all these anomalies are addressed and answered.

Sorry - the issues I raised are not in there. I am responding to the gentleman in the original article who has a medical condition and is complaining that his 73 year old self is not reacting well to medication. Not really sure what you are attempting to say through all this discussion. Have a blessed day!
60 posted on 01/15/2008 9:49:16 AM PST by rusty millet
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