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...Suppose further that you are not a complete idiot.

Isn't that inconsistent with the premise, that I'm an editor at the New York Times?

1 posted on 01/13/2008 6:06:25 PM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets
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More Americans killed by illegal aliens than Iraq war, study says

When you start digging into the numbers the only ones that can be sourced with the feds are the number of American murdered in 2005: 16692
I have seen federal numbers for illegals held in jail ranging from 19.3% to 27% of the federal prison population.

Here's a sampling of USA cities wanted for murder. What you'll see is that in big USA cities like LA or NYC most of the murderers are Hispanic. Unknown are the % of illegals. In smaller cities the FBI will post the nationalities of the murderers. About 25% of the most wanted are illegals wanted for murder. This number agrees with the percentage of illegals incarcerated in federal prisons. +-25%

Pictures of top 10 most wanted in LA. Up until recent stories about crime in LA posted by the LA Times--the pictures included the nationality of the murderers. They were all foreign nationals and mostly Mexican.

Wanted for Murder in New York City.

Chicago wanted for Murder


Philadelphia wanted for murder

San Francisco wanted for Murder


New Orleans wanted for Murder

Pictures of suspects wanted for murder in Washington DC

FBI USA 10 most wanted. (two of 10 are Mexican nationals)

There are currently no exact numbers on the number of Americans killed by illegals. Part of the reason is that the government deliberately obscures the number. I talked on the phone with the head of statistics for the US Bureau of Prisons. He said his office wasn't allowed to publish the number of illegal alien murderers. Rather they were forced to put legal and non legal residents in the same category. I talked to ICE. They put out detailed numbers on illegal child molestors. However, they put out nothing on illegal murderers.

Part of the reason for the silence on the matter is that there is evidence to suggest that most Americans being killed by illegals are black--as is the suggestion in this LA Times Article. Also this article from the LA Times.



To look at other USA cities go here http://stlouis.fbi.gov/ and replace stlouis with the city you want.

All that said the true number of criminal aliens is far higher than is revealed by criminal aliens in prisons. Most are simply waived through the courts.DHS Secretary Chertoff, has been quoted as warning that two million people in this country illegally have committed serious crimes. See also here and here


36 posted on 01/13/2008 8:18:20 PM PST by ckilmer (Phi)
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I can’t believe anyone still buys that rag.


39 posted on 01/13/2008 8:44:44 PM PST by kempo (I)
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Actually it appears that veterans are not pulling their weight in committing murders here in the US, although, according to the article, they own guns. Hmmm... much work needs to be done.


41 posted on 01/13/2008 10:09:36 PM PST by Eagles6
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This is a little Hegelian dialect designed to complement the recent "NICS Improvement Act". Label our soldiers as mental problems to deny them 2nd amendment rights as a big "thank you" for serving their country.
44 posted on 01/13/2008 11:03:29 PM PST by Myrddin
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Crazed Veterans Spark Nationwide Crime Wave

45 posted on 01/13/2008 11:05:57 PM PST by endthematrix (He was shouting 'Allah!' but I didn't hear that. It just sounded like a lot of crap to me.)
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The NYT will be out of business in five years. Few will cry.


47 posted on 01/14/2008 5:54:20 AM PST by Tribune7 (Dems want to rob from the poor to give to the rich)
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I note that this little bit of agitprop shows up right on the heels of the passing of the recent federal legislative changes to the NICS system, aka "The Veterans Disarmament Act".

Coincidence? I think not.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

50 posted on 01/14/2008 6:45:11 AM PST by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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A flurry of movies about US soldiers being sadistic killers, and now articles about "crazed veterans."

Deja Vu all over again.

52 posted on 01/14/2008 7:12:06 AM PST by VR-21
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"All the news that's fit to pick-up dog shit with"

59 posted on 01/14/2008 10:01:33 AM PST by pabianice
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Interesting that this report has spawned a dozen threads but only a couple reports on MSM radio news this weekend.


63 posted on 01/14/2008 10:13:42 AM PST by RightWhale (Dean Koonz is good, but my favorite authors are Dun and Bradstreet)
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That’s just crazy. I don’t believe a word of it.


64 posted on 01/14/2008 10:14:12 AM PST by Palladin (Romney: "I was for abortion before I was against abortion.")
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The propagandist with a keyboard is as much an enemy as the armed terrorist or the clandestine bomb maker, and far more dangerous person for person.


65 posted on 01/14/2008 10:14:34 AM PST by atomic conspiracy (Rousing the blog-rabble since 9-11-01)
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Can't they at least leave them alone once they return home?

Nope.

Liberals hate the very heroes who's blood has bought them their precious liberty through the years. They despise the men and women who defend to the death their very right to print and speak such defamatory and vile propaganda.

Liberals make me sick.

67 posted on 01/14/2008 10:19:23 AM PST by TChris ("if somebody agrees with me 70% of the time, rather than 100%, that doesn’t make him my enemy." -RR)
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But wait! The national rate of 27 homicides per 100,000 is an annual rate, whereas the Times' 121 alleged crimes were committed over a period of six years. Which means that, as far as the Times' research shows, the rate of homicides committed by military personnel who have returned from Iraq or Afghanistan is only a fraction of the homicide rate for other Americans aged 18 to 24. Somehow, the Times managed to publish nine pages of anecdotes about the violence wreaked by returning servicemen without ever mentioning this salient fact.

Better yet. How many of our military have been killed because of journalists taking the side of our enemies? Walter Cronkite comes to mind.

68 posted on 01/14/2008 10:19:30 AM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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The purpose of this article is to make civilians fear and distrust the U.S. military and veterans. It is a continuation of the longstanding leftist policy of attacking America’s troops through the use of lies - a policy that has continued for more than 40 years.


70 posted on 01/14/2008 10:36:18 AM PST by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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