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Debating Liberal Fascism - Reviewing a review.
National Review Online ^ | January 11, 2008 | Jonah Goldberg

Posted on 01/12/2008 7:36:39 PM PST by neverdem







Debating Liberal Fascism
Reviewing a review.

By Jonah Goldberg

On Thursday, I said that David Neiwert’s review of my book, Liberal Fascism, in The American Prospect was the sort of “shallow, cliché ridden, attack-the-messenger stuff that I would expect Ezra to find so persuasive.” But it turned out I’d misquoted Neiwert, for which I apologized. I also said I was bleary from the slog of promoting the book and maybe I was too harsh. Well, now — as they used to say of Nixon — I’m tanned, rested and ready (minus the tan). So with fresh eyes let me say that Neiwert’s review is the sort of shallow, cliché ridden, attack-the-messenger stuff that I would expect Ezra to find so persuasive.

First, there’s the opening where he tries ever so slightly to tag me as a member of the David Irving Holocaust-denier camp. Then, he whines that I don’t have any credentials and I have no qualifications other than “right-wing nepotism” (You can expect this bleat to get ever louder, by the way, if the book becomes a bestseller). I like that, because it seems it’s only right-wing nepotism that bothers the party poised to nominate the wife of the last Democratic president, a party which remains a cargo cult to the Kennedys — every member of whom (save for pro-Nazi papa Joe) got where they are from nepotism (as for the charge I'm the product of nepotism: Yawn).

Okay, on to the substance.

The intellectual dishonesty of Neiwert's first grown-up paragraph is glorious in its majesty. He writes: “The title alone is enough to indicate its thoroughgoing incoherence: Of all the things we know about fascism and the traits that comprise it, one of the few things that historians will readily agree upon is its overwhelming anti-liberalism. One might as well write about anti-Semitic neoconservatism, or Ptolemaic quantum theory, or strength in ignorance. Goldberg isn’t content to simply create an oxymoron; this entire enterprise, in fact, is classic Newspeak.”

Judging from this, you’d think I just made-up the phrase from whole cloth. Nowhere does Neiwert mention that I get the phrase from H. G. Wells, quite possibly the most influential English-speaking public intellectual during the first third of the 20th century. It was H. G. Wells who sought to rechristen liberalism as “Liberal Fascism” or — again, his words — “Enlightened Nazism.”

Then there’s the omnipresent canard that I must be wrong because of fascism’s “overwhelming anti-liberalism.” Neiwert is again displaying either his ignorance or his dishonesty. It is absolutely true that a great many academic definitions — Ernst Nolte’s “fascist negations” for example — cite fascism’s anti-liberalism. And it is true that Mussolini and Hitler spoke of their disdain for liberalism many times, and there are many quotes to that effect. But guess what? These two European statesmen were speaking in — wait for it! — a European context where liberalism generally means limited government: classical or “Manchester” liberalism. They were most emphatically not talking about progressivism or socialism, which are the correct label for American liberalism and/or the American left (as I demonstrate at length in my book).

Secondly, the same sources Neiwert and others cite to cough up this anti-liberalism hairball also usually include another attribute of fascism: It was “anti-conservative” (also on Nolte’s, and many others’, lists). But here’s the fun part: American conservatism is a blend of European conservatism and European liberalism. In other words, the two halves of American conservatism — traditionalism plus classical liberalism — are both considered decidedly un-fascist by most academics who study the topic, as well as by the original fascists themselves.

Let’s move on.

After tendentiously over-reading my discussion of Orwell he writes: “Goldberg proceeds to define everything that he himself considers undesirable as ‘fascist.’” I hear this a lot, and it’s flatly untrue. There were things about the New Deal I find both fascistic and defensible. I think Kennedy had a great many positive attributes. I say that there are many progressive reforms that I thought were worthwhile. And, for all of the deliberate misreading of my “We’re All Fascists Now” chapter, and the deliberate ignoring of my “The Tempting of Conservatism” essay, you’d still think it would occur to these people that maybe I’m not simply using the word fascist the way the Left does. Indeed, I state quite openly that I shop at Whole Foods all the time.

Then there’s some throat clearing about how I misstate the state of the academic consensus on fascism. That’s too weedy to get into here, but I don’t believe I do and I think fair-minded readers will see this simply by reading the introduction.

As a nice break for the reader, he then writes something interesting and intelligent, albeit predictably tendentious. If only he’d started the review here:

So when Goldberg proclaims early on: “This is the monumental fact of the Nazi rise to power that has been slowly airbrushed from our collective memories: the Nazis campaigned as socialists,” more thorough observers of history might instead just shake their heads. After all, the facts of Mussolini’s utopian/socialist origins and the Nazis’ similar appeals to socialism by incorporating the name are already quite well known to the same historians who consistently describe fascism as a right-wing enterprise.

What these historians record — but Goldberg variously ignores or minimizes — is that the “socialism” of “National Socialism” was in fact purely a kind of ethnic economic nationalism, which offered “socialist” support to purely “Aryan” German business entities, and that the larger Nazi cultural appeal was built directly around an open antipathy to all things liberal or leftist. Indeed, whole chapters of Mein Kampf are devoted to vicious smears and declarations of war against “the Left,” and not merely the Marxism that Goldberg acknowledges was a major focus of Hitler’s animus.

Yes, it’s true. Many historians call Nazism a right-wing enterprise. One of the arguments of my book is to demonstrate that these historians are wrong to do so. If that enrages the trade guild controlling most of academia, them’s the breaks. But simply saying that people say my view is wrong doesn’t make it wrong. I marshal hundreds of pages of evidence to back up my points. Neiwert thumbs through the indexes of a few books to make his. Moreover, I am hardly alone in this point of view. Friedrich Hayek, Paul Johnson, Richard Pipes, Milton Friedman, Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn, John Lukacs, Joshua Muravchik, A. James Gregor, Michael Ledeen, Ayn Rand, and — as I show in my book — countless contemporary observers of classical fascism agree with my view in whole or in part.



Again, as I try to show in my book, the reason we call fascism and National Socialism “right wing” is because these were forms of “right-wing socialism,” or, as both the Marxist theoretician Karl Radek and Leon Trotsky argued, “middle class socialism.” And while the academic literature is on my side of the argument that the Nazis appealed to the lower classes just as much as the Communists did (if not more so), I have no problem conceding that the nature of Nazi socialism was in some significant respects different from Soviet socialism. So call it right-wing socialism if you like. But don’t saw off the right-wing part and then bludgeon American conservatives with it.

The point here is that these were all different kinds of socialism. And in the Anglo-American tradition, socialism is a phenomenon of the Left. Period. And many, many more historians who would no doubt take issue with my book — Michael Mann and the Germans Götz Aly and Wolfgang Schivelbusch come to mind — nonetheless have written at length about the fundamental and indisputable antipathy the National Socialists had for capitalism.

This point about race that Neiwert brings up is an important one — and one that I anticipate and discuss in my book. Because he believes that racism is inherently right-wing, the fact that the Nazis were racists means they had to be right-wingers. I concede, and talk at length, about the fact that the Nazis were racists. But racism, I’m sorry to say, is not definitively right-wing in my book (literally and figuratively). Stalin’s Russia was replete with anti-Semitism. The American Progressives were astoundingly racist (as I show). The Communists in Germany competed with the National Socialists by trying to out-Jew-bait them. Are the American Progressives, Stalin, or the German Reds now all right-wingers? Moreover, are American conservatives somehow racists because a bunch of socialists in Europe were racists? These dots do not connect.

One last point on this. The issue isn’t racism-as-bigotry. The point is racial essentialism, the idea that race matters (the title of a book by Cornel West, if memory serves). In America, conservatives argue for colorblindness; the Left does not. The Left believes in the iron cage of racial identity, the Right does not. The Left believes in a racial spoils system, the Right does not. And yet, we conservatives are kith and kin of the most intense racial essentialists of the 20th century? These dots, too, do not connect. (Note: As I say countless times in my book, today’s liberals are not Nazi-like bigots, but they are racial essentialists).

Okay, this is running very long and I have other things to do. So I will try to be more succinct. He then writes:

But it was present all along; “the Left” were the people who were beaten and murdered in the 1920s by the squadristi and the Brownshirts; and the first Germans sent off to Nazi concentration camps like Dachau were not Jews but socialists, communists, and other left-wing political prisoners, including “liberal” priests and clerics.

Very quickly: As I write in my book, the Nazis were determined to destroy their competition. That is why they hated the Communists. The propaganda that says the Nazis were the opposites of the Communists because they hated each other is idiotic. Hamas and Fatah hate each other deeply, Trotsky and Stalin battled for power, and left-wing academics get their panties in a bunch over where some fellow left-winger puts a comma in a sentence. In none of these cases does mutual hatred translate to ideological divergence. Please: Stalin was a genocidal dictator. Hitler was a genocidal dictator. They both ran totalitarian, militarized regimes of total war. But yes, Nazism and Communism are opposites. Riiiight.

Much of the rest of his review hinges on the same game of desperately trying to re-affix the labels I’m trying to peel off and return to their rightful place. Yes, populism has been called “right wing” by lots of people. And there are variants of what could rightly be called “right-wing populism.” But this is a variation on the same theme. These are right-wing populisms in the same sense that fascism was right-wing socialism. I’m willing to concede the point because, well, it’s my point!

Then there’s a lot of stuff about how I don’t address the “anti-intellectualism” of fascism. This is just wrong if you read my book with care. I go on at length about the influence of pragmatism — both the Nietzschean pragmatism lamented by Julien Benda and the Pragmatism of William James and later John Dewey. Pragmatism was an intellectual enterprise, to be sure, but it was aimed at intellectualism itself. The cult of the deed, the need for action, the disdain for books and history: I show at great length how these themes informed both fascism and progressivism. Mussolini, recall, hailed James as one of his greatest influences. The pragmatic progressives lived in a universe with “the lid off,” as James put it, and the dull past no longer had relevance. History itself had become “bunk.” “I speak in dispraise of dusty learning, and in disparagement of the historical technique,” boasted Stuart Chase, the man widely credited with inventing the phrase “the new deal.” “Are our plans wrong? Who knows? Can we tell from reading history? Hardly.”

I’ve also written at great length how this spirit defines much of our age today as well. See here, here or here for starters.

Now I admit that I didn’t want to get into the weeds on a lot of political theory. Actually, I did. But my editor wanted to keep this accessible for a general audience, so I opted to show, not tell, on this point. But I show it — a lot. In fact, Neiwert quotes my book in an attempt to prove that I don’t understand the point I was in fact making. Smooth:

Probably the essential fascist statement is one that Goldberg in fact cites unreflectingly — Mussolini’s famous reply to those who wanted policy specifics from him: “The democrats of Il Mondo want to know our program? It is to break the bones of the democrats of Il Mondo. And the sooner the better.” This remark’s noteworthy anti-liberalism also seems to elude Goldberg. And the notion that liberal humanism — with its long history of rationalism and reliance on logic and science — has anything whatsoever to do with the fascist approach is, once again, an almost comical upending of reality.

No, what’s comical is Neiwert’s attempt to cling to the myths upon which he relies for his daily bread. And that brings us to the close of his review which is really just a recitation of the same usual talking-points about how if you scratch an American conservative you find a Nazi underneath. And since one of the primary goals of my book is put that slander to rest, it’s no wonder he wants to protect his gravy train by attacking it so shabbily.
Jonah Goldberg is editor-at-large of National Review Online.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bookreview; fascism; goldberg; liberalfascism; liberalism; liberals

1 posted on 01/12/2008 7:36:40 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

2 posted on 01/12/2008 7:46:39 PM PST by bahblahbah (conservative confessional reformed evangelical yadda yadda yadda christian against huckamania)
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To: neverdem
When I was in high school, my economics teacher referred us to a book entitled "The Coming American Fascism" (published 1932) by one Lawrence Dennis as the book to see for Fascist arguments.

I subsequently attended the University of Chicago (before Obama) and went to Regenstein library to look at Dennis' book (there weren't any available to me in small-town Midwest). The political science-economics section of Regenstein was then in the sub-basement(!) but I found the library copy; it read a lot like Ralph Nader. But next to it on the shelf was another work by the same author, "Is Capitalism Doomed?", published in 1930. Inside the front cover, someone had pasted a pocket and in said pocket was an old, yellowed copy the The Daily Worker (the official paper of the US Communist Party). On the front page of that issue, there was a rave review of Dennis' work by none other than Eugene V. Debs, the then perrenial Presidential candidate of the CPUSA.

Fascism and Communism were never true enemies; they were alweays competitors. Hitler called his system "National Socialism"; Stalin called his "Socialism in One Country".

There ain't a dime's worth of difference between the two; the only difference is who gets to rule. The rule will be the same in either case.

3 posted on 01/12/2008 7:51:59 PM PST by Chairman Fred (@mousiedung.commie)
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To: neverdem
Saw Goldberg on CSPAN, nice new suit, touches his nose too much.

Fascism and Communism are like the Sunni and the Shiites, they kill each other because they are intense rivals.

4 posted on 01/12/2008 8:16:22 PM PST by Last Dakotan
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To: Chairman Fred
There ain't a dime's worth of difference between the two

I heard Goldberg on Dennis Miller Friday, I believe, and he said fascism got the negative end of the connotative stick from Stalin.

And since Hitler attacked Stalin, and Hitler declared war on the US, and that made Stalin our ally...

5 posted on 01/12/2008 8:37:59 PM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: neverdem

I’ve always been a bit perplexed at how a socialist political party (the Nazis) can be considered “right wing.”

I’ve had extended debates with people on this, and they always claim that, although the Nazis called themselves socialists, they didn’t “govern” as socialists.

So what? Communists have never followed through on their promises either. They’re very good at the “taking away” part, but they never seem to get around to the “giving back” (redistribution) part. Does that mean that are not communists? Of course not.

I get very annoyed by the know-nothings on the Left who compare Bush to Hitler. Bush is at least trying to fight the modern incarnation of Nazism in Islamofascism. Those morons are the ones couldn’t care less about the possibility of another holocaust. They’re the ones who are actively or passively promoting the modern version of Nazism by trying to sabotage all efforts to stop it.


6 posted on 01/12/2008 11:50:00 PM PST by RussP
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To: RussP
I’ve always been a bit perplexed at how a socialist political party (the Nazis) can be considered “right wing.”

I’ve had extended debates with people on this, and they always claim that, although the Nazis called themselves socialists, they didn’t “govern” as socialists.

So what? Communists have never followed through on their promises either. They’re very good at the “taking away” part, but they never seem to get around to the “giving back” (redistribution) part. Does that mean that are not communists? Of course not.

I get very annoyed by the know-nothings on the Left who compare Bush to Hitler. Bush is at least trying to fight the modern incarnation of Nazism in Islamofascism. Those morons are the ones couldn’t care less about the possibility of another holocaust. They’re the ones who are actively or passively promoting the modern version of Nazism by trying to sabotage all efforts to stop it.
The Nazis weren't socialist any more than the people's democratic republic of North Korean is democratic or a republic.

I've already mentioned it in other threads, but the common thread in communism and fascism is *totalitarianism*. Socialism and fascism are inherently opposites.
7 posted on 01/13/2008 12:14:53 AM PST by ketsu
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To: neverdem

“And it is true that Mussolini and Hitler spoke of their disdain for liberalism many times, and there are many quotes to that effect. But guess what? These two European statesmen were speaking in — wait for it! — a European context where liberalism generally means limited government: classical or “Manchester” liberalism. They were most emphatically not talking about progressivism or socialism, which are the correct label for American liberalism and/or the American left (as I demonstrate at length in my book).”

Golberg’s point is more clearly made at the following site :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism

Here’s a quote:

“Classical liberalism is liberalism, but the current collectivists have captured that designation in the United States. Happily they did not capture it in Europe, and were glad enough to call themselves socialists. But no one in America wants to be called socialist and admit what they are.”


8 posted on 01/13/2008 12:30:08 AM PST by haroldeveryman
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To: RussP
I’ve always been a bit perplexed at how a socialist political party (the Nazis) can be considered “right wing.”

I think the nomenclature is a residue of WW2. Soviet propagandists at the time referred to the National Socialists (Nazis) as "fascists", to differentiate their own Soviet Socialism. Modern Leftists have continued the rhetoric.

Also, since communism is as Left as anyone can go, anyone who is not a communist is (from the communists' point of view) to the right, hence, nazis are "right wing."

9 posted on 01/13/2008 12:37:41 AM PST by TimSkalaBim
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To: TimSkalaBim

“Also, since communism is as Left as anyone can go, anyone who is not a communist is (from the communists’ point of view) to the right, hence, nazis are “right wing.”

Well said.

I see the primary difference between communists and fascists in the economic sphere and how both treat private property. Fascists were smart enough to allow private property and businesses to continue provided these businesses used their property to carry out the will of the state, as defined by the state. Thus the fascist/socialist state plodded on, guided by the hand of experienced capitalists, even showing economic growth. This issue is covered extensively in the 1939 book “The Vampire Economy.”

On the other hand, communists seized private property and gave it to clueless party members who had no idea on how to run a business, whether a farm or factory. Thus, the communist soviet union collapsed economically and was constantly plagued by shortages. We see that result of communism today in Zimbabwe.

So yes, many liberals are fascists. The control of private property under so-called environmental law is one aspect of fascism in America today and is endemic and grossly harmful. And the vast majority of so-called liberals completely favor this fascist government control.

It’s my belief that 70 years ago so-called environmentalists would have been standing on street corners shouting “Sieg Heil!”


10 posted on 01/13/2008 7:08:57 AM PST by sergeantdave (The majority of Michigan voters are that stupid and the condition is incipient and growing.)
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To: neverdem

Jonah didn’t have a good day at the Heritage Foundation. He was rushing and making little sense. I think the idea that Fascism is of the left has a firm premise but why be so jittery?


11 posted on 01/13/2008 11:57:28 AM PST by Havisham
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To: ketsu

“The Nazis weren’t socialist any more than the people’s democratic republic of North Korean is democratic or a republic.”

The Nazis were *elected* on a platform of National Socialism. As far as I know, the leader of North Korea was never elected. That’s a huge difference. Whether the Nazis were really socialist in their hearts is largely irrelevant. The point is that they used the appeal of socialism to gain power.

By the way, check out this little piece by Goebbels:

Why Are We Socialists?
by Joseph Goebbels

We are socialists because we see in socialism, that is the union of all citizens, the only chance to maintain our racial inheritance and to regain our political freedom and renew our German state.

Socialism is the doctrine of liberation for the working class. It promotes the rise of the fourth class and its incorporation in the political organism of our Fatherland, and is inextricably bound to breaking the present slavery and the regaining of German freedom. Socialism therefore is not merely a matter of the oppressed class, but a matter for everyone, for freeing the German people from slavery is the goal of contemporary policy. Socialism gains its true form only through a total combat brotherhood with the forward-striving energies of a newly awakened nationalism. Without nationalism it is nothing, a phantom, a mere theory, a castle in the sky, a book. With it it is everything, the future, freedom, the Fatherland!

The sin of liberal thinking was to overlook socialism’s nation-building strengths, thereby allowing its energies to go in anti-national directions. The sin of Marxism was to degrade socialism into a question of wages and the stomach, putting it in conflict with the state and its national existence. An understanding of both these facts leads us to a new sense of socialism, which sees its nature as nationalistic, state-building, liberating and constructive.

The bourgeois is about to leave the historical stage. In its place will come the class of productive workers, the working class, that has been up until today oppressed. It is beginning to fulfill its political mission. It is involved in a hard and bitter struggle for political power as it seeks to become part of the national organism. The battle began in the economic realm; it will finish in the political. It is not merely a matter of pay, not only a matter of the number of hours worked in a day-though we may never forget that these are an essential, perhaps even the most significant part of the socialist platform-but it is much more a matter of incorporating a powerful and responsible class in the state, perhaps even to make it the dominant force in the future politics of the Fatherland. The bourgeois does not want to recognize the strength of the working class. Marxism has forced it into a straitjacket that will ruin it. While the working class gradually disintegrates in the Marxist front, bleeding itself dry, the bourgeois and Marxism have agreed on the general lines of capitalism, and see their task now to protect and defend it in various ways, often concealed.

We are socialists because we see the social question as a matter of necessity and justice for the very existence of a state for our people, not a question of cheap pity or insulting sentimentality. The worker has a claim to a living standard that corresponds to what he produces. We have no intention of begging for that right. Incorporating him in the state organism is not only a critical matter for him, but for the whole nation. The question is larger than the eight-hour day. It is a matter of forming a new state consciousness that includes every productive citizen. Since the political powers of the day are neither willing nor able to create such a situation, socialism must be fought for. It is a fighting slogan both inwardly and outwardly. It is aimed domestically at the bourgeois parties and Marxism at the same time, because both are sworn enemies of the coming workers’ state. It is directed abroad at all powers that threaten our national existence and thereby the possibility of the coming socialist national state.

Socialism is possible only in a state that is united domestically and free internationally. The bourgeois and Marxism are responsible for failing to reach both goals, domestic unity and international freedom. No matter how national and social these two forces present themselves, they are the sworn enemies of a socialist national state.

We must therefore break both groups politically. The lines of German socialism are sharp, and our path is clear.

We are against the political bourgeois, and for genuine nationalism!

We are against Marxism, but for true socialism!

We are for the first German national state of a socialist nature!

We are for the National Socialist German Workers Party!

[End of Nazi rant in favor of socialism]


12 posted on 01/13/2008 12:08:31 PM PST by RussP
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To: TimSkalaBim

“Also, since communism is as Left as anyone can go, anyone who is not a communist is (from the communists’ point of view) to the right, hence, nazis are “right wing.””

True. But the problem is that this “point of view” has been smuggled into the lexicon of modern American politics. Why should we take the “point of view” of communism as our own? We aren’t communists yet, are we?

This bogus “point of view” is the reason that loonies on the Left get away with comparing Bush to Hitler when they are the ones essentially protecting the new Nazism in the form of Islamofascism.


13 posted on 01/13/2008 12:15:03 PM PST by RussP
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To: RussP
Their idea of "socialism" is completely contrary to the idea of socialism. Socialism is inherently a Hegelian political philosophy(i.e. it believes that socialism is an evolution of and a progression of, capitalism).

Nazism is inherently a reactionary philosophy, it hearkens back to concept of "volk" and tries to recapture the (imagined) community and social purpose of some pre-capitalist German utopia.

Does that make it any clearer?
14 posted on 01/13/2008 10:53:13 PM PST by ketsu
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To: ketsu

The main idea behind socialism (and communism, for that matter) is that the government really “owns” everything and decides who gets what. The difference between the two is really just a matter of the degree of aggressiveness with which the government redistributes wealth.

The idea behind classical economic liberalism, on the other hand, is that economics is based on voluntary transactions, and you really own what you earn in the free market — even if it’s more than some think you should have. The Nazis were certainly not classical economic liberals. They were socialists plain and simple. If you can’t see that, you simply refuse to open your eyes.

Whether that is based on “Hegelian political philosophy” may be of historical interest, but it is more or less irrelevant otherwise.

If the Nazis were “right wing,” then it is in some sense that is completely contrary to the modern Leftist notion of “right wing = capitalist pig.”


15 posted on 01/13/2008 11:55:38 PM PST by RussP
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To: RussP

nice post thank you


16 posted on 07/07/2008 4:29:12 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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