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Great Britain: Organs to be taken without consent (PM Brown favors "presumed consent" )
The Telegraph (U.K.) ^ | January 12, 2008 | Patrick Hennessy and Laura Donnelly

Posted on 01/12/2008 1:45:31 PM PST by Stoat

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To: torchthemummy
It is my impression that UK doctors would have strong government support if they disregarded "opt outs" or feigned ignorance or a breakdown in the info from a patient's database that contained the opt out.

You make compelling points.  I would suggest that the proposed changes already have the mechanisms within them to accelerate such a breakdown, such as the fact that hospitals will be 'rated' as to their 'donated' organ output.  Surely no hospital administrator wants to be on the bottom of the national ratings list for organ donations?  Having a 'database error'  toward the end of every fiscal cycle would insure a steady stream of organs......

81 posted on 01/13/2008 12:11:34 AM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: SeafoodGumbo
How scary is it that they would rather go this route instead of having a public information campaign on being a donor

In fact there have been such campaigns for many years, with a well-tried system of donor cards, bracelets etc. It's because those exisiting opt-in systems don't supply enough organs that alternatives are now proposed.

82 posted on 01/13/2008 1:25:06 AM PST by Winniesboy
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To: Stoat

Actually the criteria will more likely relate to what condition your organs are judged to be in and how determined are your relatives and/or associates to have you back.


83 posted on 01/13/2008 4:58:35 AM PST by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: ThanhPhero
Actually the criteria will more likely relate to what condition your organs are judged to be in and how determined are your relatives and/or associates to have you back.

Sorry, I guess that in my attempt at tongue-in-cheek humor, my tongue was too far in my cheek.  I was attempting to illustrate an absurd situation by an absurdity, and I apologize for not making that more clear.

Of course, as things stand now, you're entirely correct.

84 posted on 01/13/2008 5:25:31 AM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Yes but your are forgetting where those costs will also lead US...to innovations and new ideas/technology. The costs will help drive the need for new concepts: one of which is non-embryonic stem cell research. They hope to one day implant new organs via cells rather than need a donor--the high costs (and lack of organs) is one of the driving forces behind that movement.

Stopping medicine in its tracks (as in quitting or as socialized medicine does) b/c of costs is the worst thing that one can do b/c of all the advances that would be lost.

In any field think of all the things we would not have if technology had been stopped/tossed out b/c the initial costs were prohibitive.....
85 posted on 01/13/2008 6:42:05 AM PST by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

So we can definitely mark you down as part of the pro-death crowd when it comes to people who need organ transplants?


87 posted on 01/13/2008 8:39:34 AM PST by gracesdad
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To: Stoat

Where is this article? I’d like to read it?


88 posted on 01/17/2008 10:01:26 AM PST by Ultra Sonic 007 (Look at all the candidates. Choose who you think is best. Choose wisely in 2008.)
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Where is this article? I’d like to read it?

Here you go.  I found it right away by searching the Daily Mail site with the keywords "Large Family Christmas".

Two turkeys, 34lb of potatoes and a gallon of custard - Christmas dinner for the family with 12 children the Daily Mail

89 posted on 01/17/2008 8:23:38 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat

The brits aren't gonna take this lying down.

The back says some pretty funny stuff. But you gotta click on it to see it, beware of colour british humour with foul language.

http://www.jimcromwell.com/landfill/do%20not%20card%20back.jpg

90 posted on 01/17/2008 8:35:22 PM PST by CJ Wolf
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To: Stoat

Much obliged.

Some of the comments are disheartening. A few folks alleging to be from Guernsey are alleging that there was some benefits fraud going about.


91 posted on 01/17/2008 9:10:26 PM PST by Ultra Sonic 007 (Look at all the candidates. Choose who you think is best. Choose wisely in 2008.)
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The brits aren't gonna take this lying down.

Let's hope not.  Thanks for the funny post  :-)

92 posted on 01/18/2008 6:51:22 AM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat

A little bit more every year. The end goal of all this is COMPLETE control of every aspect of life by a corrupt government.


93 posted on 01/18/2008 6:56:50 AM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
Much obliged.
 

You're quite welcome.  :-)

Some of the comments are disheartening. A few folks alleging to be from Guernsey are alleging that there was some benefits fraud going about.

Indeed.  I didn't recall those posts from when I had read the article last year, either because I had stopped reading after the first few "Haven't they heard of condoms?" and "Not very environmentally conscious, are they?" posts in disgust or because they perhaps had not yet been posted at that time.

A very sad time for the children in particular, if true.  It's strange about the Comments at the Daily Mail in general....dozens of attempts at submitting comments there have served to make me believe that they either don't post comments from stoats as policy or they won't post anything that is even slightly politically incorrect.  Of course all of my comments were politically incorrect, but some were only marginally so and all were of course completely true and lacking any foul language despite the fact that the matter at hand would likely have benefited from it..

And yet they post multiple comments alleging specific, serious criminal acts against private individuals without any links to documentation supporting the claims.  Perhaps it strikes me as odd only because I'm a Yank, and over here people tend to get sued over stuff like that....

94 posted on 01/18/2008 7:06:24 AM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat

Just a short leap for them to begin nosing around into their right to ensure healthy organs from us and therefore we should avoid Cheetos and Budweiser or clotted cream and Newcastle in the Brits case.


95 posted on 01/18/2008 7:09:44 AM PST by steveyp
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged
A little bit more every year. The end goal of all this is COMPLETE control of every aspect of life by a corrupt government.

All true of course.  And with the encroachment of Socialism, the point at which 'corruption' is identified moves steadily out of sight until the word is no longer invoked at all.  Corruption is such a judgmental, moralistic term after all, and morals are suggestive of a religious underpinning of things.  Since religion (Judeo /Christianity, at least) has no place under The Warm Glow Of The Socialist Miracle, then we need to stop talking about corruption as well.  It makes people feel bad and it's the way we are going to be doing things around here from now on, after all.

I wish that the boffins would hurry up and finish developing a Star Trek 'transporter', because there are times when I really would like to be beamed out of here.

Where to?  Not sure.  Places like Montana, Texas and a few others sound awfully nice.

"sigh"

 

96 posted on 01/18/2008 7:23:32 AM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: steveyp
Just a short leap for them to begin nosing around into their right to ensure healthy organs from us and therefore we should avoid Cheetos and Budweiser or clotted cream and Newcastle in the Brits case.

Sadly, it appears that the leap has already been made. 

U.K.'Too Fat' Patients Denied NHS Operations (smokers too; 6M people affected)

The NHS wins when its patients die (U.K. National Health Service)

Because banning Cheetos outright would cause instant rioting in the streets, depriving people of treatments and benefits pertaining to their consumption accomplishes the same goal as an outright ban on the causative agent.

97 posted on 01/18/2008 7:40:10 AM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: gracesdad
BTW, I do NOT support forcing anybody to donate organs.

One of the wonderful industries springing up because organ transplants are now considered to be a human right by idiots like you is the Medical Adoption industry.

I'm sure you whole-heartedly approve.

Of course, the Peoples Republic of China is also doing its part to make sure that there are plenty of organs available, should you need one and have the money.

China's mobile death fleet

98 posted on 01/26/2008 5:33:19 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: Stoat

But their infidel organs will reside nicely inside their Islamic Masters ! England is gone, in the next war the Islamic majority will use their weapons against us.


99 posted on 01/26/2008 5:45:44 PM PST by redstateconfidential (If you are the smartest person in the room,you are hanging out with the wrong people.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“by idiots like you”

Gosh, I like you, too.

I wish it weren’t so, but my daughter donated four organs. One woman was able to have a child because of our daughter’s pancreas. Don’t know about the others.


100 posted on 01/26/2008 6:59:45 PM PST by gracesdad
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