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Great Britain: Organs to be taken without consent (PM Brown favors "presumed consent" )
The Telegraph (U.K.) ^ | January 12, 2008 | Patrick Hennessy and Laura Donnelly

Posted on 01/12/2008 1:45:31 PM PST by Stoat

Organs to be taken without consent


By Patrick Hennessy and Laura Donnelly
 
Last Updated: 9:21pm GMT 12/01/2008
 

 

Gordon Brown has thrown his weight behind a move to allow hospitals to take organs from dead patients without explicit consent.

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    Surgeons perform a kidney transplant
    There are more than 8,000 patients
    waiting for an organ donation

     

    Writing in The Sunday Telegraph, the Prime Minister says that such a facility would save thousands of lives and that he hopes such a system can start this year.

    The proposals would mean consent for organ donation after death would be automatically presumed, unless individuals had opted out of the national register or family members objected.

    But patients' groups said that they were "totally opposed" to Mr Brown's plan, saying that it would take away patients' rights over their own bodies.

    There are more than 8,000 patients waiting for an organ donation and more than 1,000 a year die without receiving the organ that could save their lives.

    The Government will launch an overhaul of the system next week, which will put pressure on doctors and nurses to identify more "potential organ donors" from dying patients. Hospitals will be rated for the number of deceased patients they "convert" into donors and doctors will be expected to identify potential donors earlier and alert donor co-ordinators as patients approach death.

    But Mr Brown, who carries a donor card, has made it clear he backs an even more radical revamp of the system, which would lead to donation by "presumed consent". The approach is modelled on that of Spain, which has the highest proportion of organ donors in the world.

    "A system of this kind seems to have the potential to close the aching gap between the potential benefits of transplant surgery in the UK and the limits imposed by our current system of consent," Mr Brown writes.

    He voted against such a system in 2004 - but sources close to the Prime Minister said last night that the measure proposed then was a much harder version of his latest plan, without families having the final say.

    Patients' groups said that they were appalled by Mr Brown's intervention. "They call it presumed consent, but it is no consent at all," said Joyce Robin, from the watchdog Patient Concern. "They are relying on inertia and ignorance to get the results that they want." She said that the

    Government had made little effort to get people to register to give up organs after death. "Where is the big media campaign, where are the leaflets? Why, when I go to see my GP, doesn't he ask me about organ donation? These are the things they should be doing - not taking away our right to decide what happens to our bodies."

    Katherine Murphy, of the Patients Association charity, agreed. "We don't think a private decision, which is a matter of individual conscience, should be taken by the state. If people want to give the gift of life, that is their right, but it must be something that is a voluntary matter. "

    While polls show 90 per cent of Britons are in favour of organ donation, 40 per cent of relatives refuse consent for the organs of their relatives to be donated, a figure which rises to 75 per cent among black and ethnic minorities. To solve this, the organ taskforce plans measures to boost donation, including putting pressure on doctors to identify patients as potential donors before they have died.

    The taskforce report - to be released on Tuesday - calls for a senior doctor to be appointed in every hospital as a "champion" of donation, along with a lay person to spread the message about the importance of donation locally.

    The force, which is to publish a report on "presumed consent" this summer, hopes its 14 recommendations will lead to 50 per cent more donations in five years.

    It admits to a possible "conflict of interest" between medical staff, trying to save lives and those keen to ensure every possible organ is harvested. Dr Kevin Gunning, an intensive care consultant at Addenbrooke's Hospital, Cambridge, and a member of the UK Transplant's advisory group, said the measures could put doctors and relatives under pressure. "If, as a doctor you have turned your thoughts to your patient being a donor when they are still living, that is a real conflict."

    Dr Bruce Taylor, of the Intensive Care Society warned that early indicators of death were not reliable. "The only way to be sure is to do all the tests which show brain stem death; anything in advance of that is only a prediction."

    But Chris Rudge, of UK Transplant, the authority in charge of organ donation and transplant, insisted patients would not be considered as donors at any point where survival was possible.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: britain; england; eussr; greatbritain; healthcare; medicine; moralabsolutes; nhs; organdonation; organharvesting; presumedconsent; prolife; socialism; socializedmedicine; uk; unitedkingdom
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Hospitals will be rated for the number of deceased patients they "convert" into donors

Wow.

  • But Chris Rudge, of UK Transplant, the authority in charge of organ donation and transplant, insisted patients would not be considered as donors at any point where survival was possible.

How incredibly gracious of them.

 

1 posted on 01/12/2008 1:45:35 PM PST by Stoat
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To: Stoat

That’s the merit of Euro-healthcare... LOL.


2 posted on 01/12/2008 1:47:35 PM PST by SolidWood (Al Gore: "I have never heard of this, but I think it is a very good idea,")
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To: Stoat

What the hell ever happened to England? Every time I read a posted story from England, I am amazed that this is the country that I thought I knew so well, but now don’t know at all.


3 posted on 01/12/2008 1:49:58 PM PST by Continental Soldier
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To: Stoat
How scary is it that they would rather go this route instead of having a public information campaign on being a donor. Instead of even trying the non-totalitarian route first, they go straight to the STATE KNOWS mode as their default.

Double ungood.

4 posted on 01/12/2008 1:53:08 PM PST by SeafoodGumbo
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To: Continental Soldier
What the hell ever happened to England?

Simply put, Socialism.

It's a cancer that destroys humanity and devalues the sanctity of life at every possible opportunity.

5 posted on 01/12/2008 1:53:45 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat
"So. Can we 'ave your liver then?"


6 posted on 01/12/2008 1:55:15 PM PST by pogo101
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To: Continental Soldier
Socialized medicine at it's finest.

Does the phrase "we will take from you for the greater good." sound familiar?

-Traveler

7 posted on 01/12/2008 1:55:52 PM PST by Traveler59 (Truth is a journey, not a destination.)
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To: Stoat


8 posted on 01/12/2008 1:56:06 PM PST by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: Stoat
What happens when the medical schools need more cadavers, will the government just take your carcass? I think they're pushing imminent domain a little far.

"We OWN you!" --British government

PS-- we're next if we don't stand up to the statists.

9 posted on 01/12/2008 1:56:26 PM PST by Max in Utah (A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: Stoat

You can have my organ when you pry it from my cold, dead hands.


10 posted on 01/12/2008 1:56:33 PM PST by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich!)
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To: SeafoodGumbo
Double-plus-ungood.
11 posted on 01/12/2008 1:56:58 PM PST by darkangel82 (And the band played on....)
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To: wagglebee; little jeremiah; cpforlife.org; Coleus; cgk; narses; MHGinTN

Ping


12 posted on 01/12/2008 1:57:28 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat

Having personally seen the ghouls in the hospitals of the USA, it is going to be a nightmare in england.


13 posted on 01/12/2008 1:58:55 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: darkangel82
Double-plus-ungood.

That too.

14 posted on 01/12/2008 1:59:08 PM PST by SeafoodGumbo
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To: 8mmMauser; BykrBayb; floriduh voter; bjs1779; Stoat

Pro-Life Ping to Stoat’s thread on organ harvesting in the UK.


15 posted on 01/12/2008 1:59:34 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: RichInOC

they will make that happen.

(especially if it costs too much to save you then you have a duty to die)


16 posted on 01/12/2008 2:00:06 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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Moral Absolutes Ping!

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17 posted on 01/12/2008 2:00:12 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: UKTory

Ping— Organs to be taken without consent (UK)


18 posted on 01/12/2008 2:00:51 PM PST by Max in Utah (A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: Stoat
Now if people could only sell their own organs then the market would take care of this.

Elderly people are able to obtain "reverse mortgages" and so realize during their lifetimes the equity in their homes.

Why not be able to sell your kidneys in advance at a price discounted to your current age?

19 posted on 01/12/2008 2:01:41 PM PST by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: longtermmemmory

You people are all worried for nothing.

They will only take the organs of people who are certain to EVENTUALLY die anyway! :)


20 posted on 01/12/2008 2:03:01 PM PST by live+let_live
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