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Posted on 01/12/2008 1:45:31 PM PST by Stoat
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Now you have a semi-colon.
Naw! Never!
The last of The State's subjects who had the temerity to suggest malfeasance on the part of The Glorious State discovered an 'adjustment' in his living conditions. You would be well advised to recognize the crucial and delicate work performed on your behalf and adopt an appropriately high regard for it.
I'm guessing that it will be tied into your productivity and subsequent taxpaying abilities. If you're lying sick in bed, you aren't generating any tax revenue and so how useful are you?
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And since this story is about the UK (for the moment, at least....we will probably be seeing it in the USA one day) I would imagine that it would involve a "donation" to a local mosque.
You object to supporting your fine, peace-loving Muslim Brothers? You are a racist and will be prosecuted for hate crime violations!
Only if the patient's tissues are judged as being substandard. Old people in particular...we can't very well make use of their old, infirm organs and tissues, and so it's rather pointless in expending scarce National Healthcare monies to extend their lives, isn't it? What possible value would this provide to The State?
. Shades of Coma
And other things as well:
Surely if such a position were taken here in the US it would come from the Democrats. Of course the Dems would respond to any resistance to such legislation by saying that people can opt out before the fact but if they didn't, "Oh well - they should have."
With that presumption made, compare that to the documented resistance by the Dems and subsidaries of the idea of showing a valid government-issued photo ID before one can vote by claiming that it is too hard/intimidating for the "most vulnerable citizens".
It is my impression that UK doctors would have strong government support if they disregarded "opt outs" or feigned ignorance or a breakdown in the info from a patient's database that contained the opt out.
The darkness deepens in once “Great” Britain.
This is what happens when you devalue the human person through abortion, euthanasia, etc.
If this happens, in what way are the Brit govt and the Chinese govt different?
“And I, in turn, knew that a self-righteous twit like you would show up, who is oh so generous when it comes to other peoples’ money.”
I see you have no answers to my questions. All you can do is call me names. My position is no more self-righteous than yours. Please tell me how transplants are any more generous with other people’s money than keeping preemies or vegetative people alive, both of which conservatives support?
Once again, in case you have trouble reading English, I do NOT believe the government should have any role in whether or not somebody donates an organ. It should be a private matter. Your post makes it sound like you don’t think it should happen at all. Should the government ban organ donation because it’s too expensive?
There are many problems with this. First of all, it needs to be the choice of the person dying or their family’s if they want to donate their organs upon death. Secondly, with socialist medicine, there is a very good chance that, in order to save money, they will decide certain people would be better off dead. Therefore,they will either rufuse to take steps to prolong or save those people’s lives, or, if euthanasia becomes available, they will euthanize.
As far as the idea of selling one’s organs, that’s morally repulsive. It could lead to a black market for one. Mainly, you can’t put a price on a human life. It devalues and degrades it.
I told my family they can donate my organs when I die, as long as efforts to save me have been exhausted and I am completely dead.
When you make the decision to spend whatever it takes to save your favorite class of person, you are also making an unintended decision to deprive some other class of person that you don't care for so much of even minimal health care.
Even if we confiscated every penny of every person's paycheck to pay for health care, there would still be some people you could not save, and there would be a lot of people committing suicide because they cannot make ends meet.
OK, so exactly who are deciding to save? The preemie? If the family doesn’t have the cash do we just abort or throw the baby in the trash? Somebody like Terry when there’s no family cash?
Tell us.
I agree with your expressed points on all counts, except I would only wish to politely suggest that FReepers are never 'completely' dead :-)
Agreed, and Socialism accelerates that devaluation like pouring rocket fuel on a fire.
If you're referring to a Government-imposed limitation on the number of allowed children and mandatory abortions, I would suggest that, sadly, a large number of people in the West already support that, and their sick rationale is all tied in with Socialist / Militant / Environmentalism.
A very unpleasant example of this is one that I ran across just before Christmas. There was an article in the UK's Daily Mail which told the story of a British family of I think 12, and it told of the particular steps and challenges that they deal with every year at Christmastime and other special events as relating to their large family size. It was actually a very nice, warm article that showed the tremendous love that they all had for one another and how they all worked together to help out and to make things work. It was also quite interesting to me because I come from a very small family and learning how this family undertook various logistical issues was eye-opening.
Anyway, after the article is the area for reader comments, and I was truly disheartened by the large number of people who took the time to write in and rip this fine family apart, mainly on the basis of because their family was so large they are consuming so many of the Earth's resources, they are consuming far more than they need, the Government should limit all families to one or two children, the family is so thoughtless and reckless, etc. etc. etc.
There are an awful lot of people out there who would enthusiastically support a Peking healthcare model. They are loud, shrill, inarticulate and, apparently, without any love for God in their hearts.
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