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1 posted on 01/10/2008 10:02:50 PM PST by BlackVeil
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To: BlackVeil

Weird, this take by an Admiral. WAR plays out on every front, remember.


2 posted on 01/10/2008 10:04:26 PM PST by bvw
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BS … who the hell else would it be! Druids, mayhap!


3 posted on 01/10/2008 10:06:04 PM PST by doc1019 (Rabbit and the Hare … Fred ‘08)
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Shoot fustus. Ax quessions tomarra.
6 posted on 01/10/2008 10:10:41 PM PST by ryan71
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It was the Filipino Monkey Man. He would cuss us out all night on watch. It was a riot.


7 posted on 01/10/2008 10:10:56 PM PST by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG 49) "Checkmate Cruiser")
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Ping


9 posted on 01/10/2008 10:11:24 PM PST by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG 49) "Checkmate Cruiser")
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To: BlackVeil

Terrible headline.


13 posted on 01/10/2008 10:13:24 PM PST by Onerom99
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Bull**** headline and poorly written article.

The BOATS were Iranian. The Navy was asked if the transmission threatening to lay mines and explode them was confirmed to be from the Iranians.

As the person transmitting didn’t identify themselves the Navy did *assume* that the radio transmission was in response to their repeated radio warnings to move away from the ships and therefore, by extension, was Iranian.

The MSM is once again splitting hairs and trying to make the military look bad.


16 posted on 01/10/2008 10:21:37 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (Lawyer Jay Grodner stands accused of keying a Marine's car because he hates the military.)
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Nonsense.

This is a reporters wishful out-of-context interpretation of what some Navy lieutenant said.

Could such a radio call have come from shore or someplace else? Sure. Is it likely? No. Of course there’s no practical way to effectively tell where a radio call is coming from. Duh.

Presuming that it was a VHF radio, though, brings it into the range of line-of-sight. A VHF can reach over the horizon, but not very far and the signal degrades quickly.

If you have boats close aboard and you get a loud clear VHF call its pretty darn reasonable to believe it came from one of those boats.

Is there some remote possibility it was someone else? Sure. But as our friend Occam might have said: if you hear hoofbeats, think horses not zebras.


17 posted on 01/10/2008 10:27:33 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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This is pure spin.

Sure, they probably can’t establish exactly were the radio signal came from, but what’s the probability of the boats being there, them dropping things into the water, the radio transmission happening at the time it did, in that place, in that language......?

The fact that they can’t locate the source 100% does not reduce the significance of the transmission; it simply does not add that additional incriminating (for a lack of better words) aspect to it. The media loves to distort. The Commander is not retracting or changing any aspect of the events as they unfolded. He’s simply stating a technical fact; in this case he was not able to direction find the source of the emission. Does that change anything?

Think about it this way. An analogy- A person is murdered at an ATM. The culprit is caught. We have DNA, motive, witnesses, a functional timeline, a sworn confession; BUT, the camera on the ATM did not get a picture of the murderer. Does not having a face shot of the murderer equate to the police not having a case? Does the chief of police stating to the media that he didn’t get a camera shot mean he’s changing his story? Does that cast doubt about what happened?

Key phrase in this article: “casting doubt on the earlier US version of Sunday’s confrontation.”

No it doesn’t. Only in the mind of some idiot that wants to interpret it that way.


18 posted on 01/10/2008 10:30:43 PM PST by Red6 (Come and take it.)
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20 posted on 01/10/2008 10:39:42 PM PST by magslinger (cranky right-winger)
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AFP

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22 posted on 01/10/2008 10:47:54 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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I’d have thought we’d have aircraft and satellite tracking info to tell us where they put into port (or if they rendezvoused with another ship).


23 posted on 01/10/2008 11:04:02 PM PST by John Jorsett (scam never sleeps)
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OOOOOooops. Accidently put the Phalanx on surface auto track/fire!

VVVVVVvvvvvvvRRRRRRiiiiiiiiippppppp!

How many boats were there? Sheesh.

Who did that?

24 posted on 01/10/2008 11:20:12 PM PST by Candor7
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What happened with the boxes?

It was reported that the speedboats threw out some unidentified boxes.

Did our guys retrieve them and see what they were?

I haven’t seen this mentioned since the incident.


25 posted on 01/10/2008 11:22:28 PM PST by Syncro
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"There is no way to know where this (radioed threat) exactly came from. It could have come from the shore... or another vessel in the area," Lieutenant John Gay told AFP by telephone.

Just by posting the above quote I have covered 1/3 of the entire article.

No offense but if this is a valid story it would be nice to have an article that has some meat to it. Who is Lt. John Gay? What is his position within the navy hierarchy? Etc.

26 posted on 01/10/2008 11:23:58 PM PST by torchthemummy (“America Will Not Reject Abortion Until America Sees Abortion” -Father Frank Pavone)
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To: BlackVeil

Maybe it was the Trunk Monkey.


30 posted on 01/10/2008 11:57:41 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (Guns don't kill people, gun free zones kill people)
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Maybe it was Greenpeace masquerading as Iranians.


36 posted on 01/11/2008 2:34:30 AM PST by SWEETSUNNYSOUTH (Help stamp out liberalism!)
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If not Iran, it must have been Sean Penn, making one more run to aid victims of Katrina. The other boats were paparazzi, trying to get a close-up. Throwing stuff overboard was intended to keep the boat from sinking. Next time, he needs a better navigator.
40 posted on 01/11/2008 3:17:04 AM PST by Bernard (If you always tell the truth, you never have to remember exactly what you said.)
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The boats were Iranian. Iran released video claiming such and showing pictures of US warships purported to have been taken from these boats. the pictures show that the conduct of the boats were harrassing in nature. The boats were playing "chicken".

The US Navy never clained that the sinister message came from the boats. It stated that there was no way to establish this, The message could have come from a shore radio, according to the Navy.

It was the media that the sinister message came from the boats.

Regardless of from where the sinisr transmission was broadcast, it is stretching credulity beyond all reason to think that the message and the presence of harrassing small craft was coincidental.

AFP is spinning the story when it claims that the credibility of the Navy has been trrown into doubt by a supposed change in its version of the events.

42 posted on 01/11/2008 3:23:11 AM PST by Clive
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"There is no way to know where this (radioed threat) exactly came from. It could have come from the shore...

Absolute nonsense. It is very, very easy to determine the direction of a broadcast signal with the proper equipment. Air Traffic Control has been using a method called a "DF Steer" for about 70 years....

44 posted on 01/11/2008 4:24:57 AM PST by Thermalseeker (Ever see a Clinton '08 bumper sticker and catch yourself looking to see what the driver looks like?)
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