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If there's no FRed and no Hunter and we're left with the four headless RINOs, then what?
January 10, 2008 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 01/10/2008 3:40:52 PM PST by Jim Robinson

The question was posed to me last night, if the only two conservatives in the race were to drop out, leaving the hapless RINOs Giuliani, Romney, Huckabee and McCain to ward off the Evil Witch of the East then, Jim, what do we do?

Well, I think four issues that most of us conservatives will agree on that are at the top or near the top of our priority lists are National Defense, Border Security, Guns and Life should be considered. We can argue all day long on whether or not these guys are constitutionally minded, small government fiscal conservatives, and I don't believe any of them are, but we'll leave that for another day. Let's concentrate on National Defense, Border Security, Guns and Life.

Well, I can see right off that that rules out Rudy, the draft dodging, gun grabbing, sanctuary city abortionist. At least the other three claim to be pro-life, although Romney has been a pro-choice abortionist for all of his elected history until he decided to run for president. I think Romney's pro choice, big government nanny state (RomneyCare) record gives him two big black eyes and should knock him out of any further consideration. That leaves Huckabee and McCain.

Now, all four of these guys are terrible on border security even though they're all claiming now to be border hawks. McCain led the charge for amnesty and the rest fell in line like dutiful RINO troopers. Can't really make a distinction among these guys on the border issue. All fail, though I think most conservatives would rank McCain at or near the bottom.

Guns. Rudy's definitely out. McCain's out. Romney's not much better. Guess Huckabee the big duck hunter outshoots the others in this category.

Rudy fails in all categories, McCain and Romney fail on guns, and all fail on borders. So I guess Huckabee has more to offer over the others at this point as he is at least pro-life and pro-gun.

Now comes national defense. Sorry, but I can't see the draft dodging, gun grabbing, gay loving, cross-dressing, illegal alien pandering abortion activist Rudy Giuliani as a very appealing or effective guy to head up our military, even if he did make some rousing anti-terrorist speeches on 9/11. The "gays should be allowed to serve openly in the military" Romney (no military or national security experience that I know of) doesn't give me goosebumps either.

So, again, we're down to Huckabee and McCain. Now you all know that I like Huckabee as he is a likable fellow, and I hate McCain, but wait. If the whole shebang is going to be decided on which of the still standing Republican wannabes should defend America from the terrorists and the surrendering Democrats, I think I'll have to go with McCain over Huckabee. At least McCain served in the military and has a whole lot more military and national security experience while serving on various committees in the senate than does Huckabee. Huckabee has none. And I doubt Huckabee can defeat Hillary. But then, McCain probably won't either, so guess that leaves plan B. Squat down, tuck your head down between your knees and kiss your ass goodbye.

Here's praying that the only two all around consistently reliable conservatives hang in there and one of them gets the nod.

Go Hunter!! Go, FRed, GO!!


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To: Jim Robinson

My guess is that it will be a McCain/Thompson ticket. Can you live with that?


261 posted on 01/10/2008 4:53:58 PM PST by CJ Wolf
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Yes, but you first supported Julie Annie and now you support the paleosurrendermonkey and so your particular judgment as to whom you might vote for has no relevance to conservatives. You have twice disqualified yourself from the status of conservative. Maybe after a rest of about four years at Happy Acres Rest Home, you might become conservative enough to venture an opinion again.

We do not need a Conservative Party any more than we need a libertarian party (other than to drag the moonbats away from the GOP).

Your intended refusal to vote GOP in November will not cripple whatever candidate is actually nominated (and we all know to an absolute certainty that paleoPaulie will NOT be that candidate, now don't we, since the only voters now are the real ones and the pipsqueak is being serially demolished as was his obvious fate. Nor will the destruction of paleoPaulie and his Paulistinian legion harm the GOP in any way. The only surprise was that John F'n Kerry, given his track record of treason, endorsed Osama bin Mama and not paleoPaulie.

262 posted on 01/10/2008 4:54:03 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: Jim Robinson

I’m praying it won’t come to that, but...

I’ll vote for the Republican nominee.


263 posted on 01/10/2008 4:54:38 PM PST by LucyJo
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To: Jim Robinson; All

You do know that Mary Matalin (James Carville’s wife) is one of McCain’s chief advisors, don’t you?

People who “know” Matalin have told me that she “really isn’t all that conservative in real life” - lol. What a surprise. (rolls eyes)

Voting for McCain would be almost like voting for Hillary.


264 posted on 01/10/2008 4:55:33 PM PST by khnyny (Clinton and Co. are the carnies of American politics.)
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To: Jim Robinson

My ranking is:

(1) Fred — the best! As a statesman he might end up comparing with Ike and Reagan.
(2) Duncan — a very good man.
(3) Mitt — great executive experience, a clean personal life, and could turn out OK, or even better than that.
(4) Rudy — a great NYC mayor, a tough leader for the WOT, and sticks to his unpopular positions.
(5) John — might appoint better judges than a Democrat, but he seems slightly nuts.
(6) Mike — Pardons any killer or rapist who yells Jesus, raises taxes instead of cutting spending, believes in a federal nanny state and the constitution be damned, wants to give tuition breaks to illegal aliens, uses the name of God to troll for votes, still soliciting wedding gifts after 20 years, supports a crackpot 30% sales tax scheme.

I’d vote for one through four. John is a maybe. Mike, no chance.


265 posted on 01/10/2008 4:55:45 PM PST by devere
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To: Bull Market
Rudy is no doubt the biggest sounding hawk of them all. I just think he’s kinda nuts.

Not me. He's got NEW YORK balls and street smarts. I'm so sick and tired an GOP pussies. Rudy at least won't get rolled.

266 posted on 01/10/2008 4:55:51 PM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: Captain Pike

Yep!

(See my tagline)


267 posted on 01/10/2008 4:57:09 PM PST by DWar (The perfect is the enemy of the excellent!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Well, you are the boss, so I experimented with Plan B and I damn near broke my neck. ;>) I have never had that view and I am damn sure not going to do it again. ;>)

I do appreciate your thoughts on all of this, but when it comes down to it being the Dems vs any of what’s left, I feel the best with Romney.

Huckabee makes me sick, I see him as a Bill Clinton without the B/J’s(so far), and the dems will eat him for lunch.

I detest MaCain for too many reasons to list...back stabbing 2 face as$hole is enough for me to cut him out.

Romney may have his issues, but I do think that he will give the job his ALL. He will move heaven and earth not to leave that Office as a failure and he just might feel like he owes his future to those that helped to hire him. I am going to cry like a baby and swear like a drunken sailor if he proves me wrong, but I think that under the circumstances that you have presented, Romney is our best bet. AND yes, I love my guns, I don’t like gays, yada, yada, yada.

Rudy...Well, I don’t want him, but if it came down to him being the only one standing....well, no I do not want to vote for him, BUT I will cast my vote for that goof in hopes of keeping Obmamabam and that Wretched Beast out of my life. Truth be told, I would vote for Peter Pan if I thought it would help keep the Full Blooded Dem Traitors out of the White House.

Paul...well he just needs to be medicated, given a fly fishing pole and sent down river.


268 posted on 01/10/2008 4:57:15 PM PST by Gator113 (My short list..Fred, Hunter, Romney.)
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To: AmericaUnited

Louis Freeh (former FBI Director) is working for Rudy’s campaign.


269 posted on 01/10/2008 4:58:12 PM PST by khnyny (Clinton and Co. are the carnies of American politics.)
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To: Right_in_Virginia

You are right. Huck has been saying fine things about McCain for a couple of weeks.


270 posted on 01/10/2008 4:58:13 PM PST by fetal heart beats by 21st day (Defending human life is not a federalist issue. It is the business of all of humanity.)
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To: kabar
I do not trust McCain to appoint “constitutional” Justices. Recall that I resigned my membership in the Supreme Court Bar over the Court’s 5-4 approval of the McCain-Feingold campaign finance “reform.”

John / Billybob

271 posted on 01/10/2008 4:58:25 PM PST by Congressman Billybob (www.ArmorforCongress.com)
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To: EGPWS
I'll go along with yer correction... ;-)

After all, the R's in congress will have a say in how a RINO runs things to some extent, should they find their spines..........

272 posted on 01/10/2008 4:58:36 PM PST by doorgunner69
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To: AmericaUnited
...and Satan incarnate is running against her, I will heartily vote for Satan and drag 10 friends, neighbors, coworkers, to the polls to do likewise.

Myself likewise.

273 posted on 01/10/2008 4:58:52 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: processing please hold
Because the two sides are morphing into one. They’re almost indistinguishable from one another now.

The two party's are no longer diametrically opposing.

They are both moving in the same direction.

It's a question of which party is the hare and which party is the tortoise.

274 posted on 01/10/2008 4:59:04 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: AmericaUnited

Oh, the Boston tea Party, and American revolution are arcane notions? How sad. Both embody exactly what I’m talking about.

I’d gladly put my name on another Declaration of Independence, without regard to what fate might await me. Its the right thing to do!

If we don’t stand for something (freedom, prosperity and liberty for all), we’ll fall for anything - with thanks to Aaron Tippin


275 posted on 01/10/2008 4:59:20 PM PST by glockem (Consensus is the lack of leadership)
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To: Jim Robinson
Once again, I'm honored to be asked my opinion by the one and only Jim Robinson, and a hearty Amen, Sir, to all that you have said.

I'm not content to allow the results in two states, let alone a starkly "blue" New Hampshire filled with sad old fashioned Yanks who have demonstrated their prejudice against southern Conservatives time and again, and Iowa, God Bless 'em, with whom I have more in common but together with New Hampshire do not constitute a Mandate of any kind. At this point in '96, Phil Gramm ran up against that prejudice in New Hampshire and we were all crestfallen knowing Old Bob Dole was to be "the best we could offer to face down the criminal Bill Clinton.

The Republican Party I joined to fight what I correctly saw as a clear and present danger in the avowed Socialism of the Democrat Left has, after the success handed to us by Ronald Reagan, followed the path of all successful revolutions. "Self-Continuity Functions" have crowded out "reason for being functions," to the point where the self continuity has become its reason for being, and we are in need of the Revolutionary Zeal that brought us to the point where there really was "two sides" to American political dialog, when we can both remember when there was only one. As Robert Service wrote, "we kept our heads at the famine, and lost our heads at the feast."

From the disappointment and disdain for these choices between Socialism and Socialism Lite, and the clear cry for "unity" and "an end to bickering" that is uniting the Democrats behind achieving the Peace of the Common Grave... for Conservatism, that Fred Thompson deserves our support, and a victory only we can achieve together. Here's one supporter of Fred Thompson who will not be dissuaded from supporting him because Conventional Wisdom has declared him dead. He has offered, I have accepted, and I'm with him to the end. Otherwise, unless Congressman Hunter rises sufficiently in the delegate count, too many of us may pull the lever for "anybody but Hillary or Obama," but not enough spirit will remain to overcome their Electoral Advantages, and solidify our own. It's clear Hillary and/or Obama may very well win regardless of the clear conscience some might achieve by voting for her opponent.

We'll still be in the same (DELETED) house, regardless.

To me, you've essentially said we have no choice but to fight for our movement, embodied in the candidates we still have left. There is no other way, aside from a season in the wilderness where we may divide the opportunists from the genuine article. It may be suggested that this alternative is the only way to restore our Revolutionary Zeal.

I do not mean to suggest, either, that we lose to win. Far from it. I say we fight now, today... for the Conservative of our choice. I will not go down without a fight. America is at stake, and for Libery (and who but Fred and Duncan have mentioned "Liberty?")

I can't support Huckabee because I feel he is a misguided proponent of a strange, rationalized and Protestant kind of "liberation theology," as dangerous and damaging to the future of Individualism, with its freedom and responsibility, as Mrs. Clinton's warped Marxism. He is just as dangerous for the historic stream of scholarly Protestant Christianity as it is for the Republican Party's long term future.

If that means the wilderness, than we will continue the fight in the wilderness, in the state Houses, in the County Commissions and School Boards...wherever men have swallowed the lie that their love and charity should be defined by their generosity with other people's property.

I made my decision for Fred and sent him my Widow's Mite before and after he joined the race. I'm a FredHead, and will remain so until he pulls out or wins.

The Battle of South Carolina may pretty much decide that one way or another, I guess. I'm fairly certain he will hold out for Super Tuesday, but he's a man of integrity and may likely pull out without a miracle in South Carolina if he doesn't have the support to compete through the rest of this plainly ridiculous Primary scheme.

Although I (REDACTED) I just don't know enough about about Congressman Hunter, but I'm glad to see we're on the same page about Fred, so he must be a good egg.

For the "conservatives" who remain; for whom the Reagan Achievement is a mere inconvenient fashion statement, but who have demonstrated, time and again, that, to them, Republican "conservatism" is a mere Mantra, and still would treat men and women as the Potter does the clay, just Socialism Lite... I am not yet prepared to change my opinion after two small states have spoken through reedy voices and compromised balloting.

Sir, with respect... "I still say it's spinach," sir. And I still say "to hell with it," sir. FRED'08 - A Clear Choice for America.

276 posted on 01/10/2008 4:59:20 PM PST by Prospero (Ad Astra!)
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To: Jim Robinson

I’d write in Hunter.

I said this recently and I’ll say it again...I didn’t leave the democrat party so I could vote for liberals from the other party.


277 posted on 01/10/2008 4:59:24 PM PST by abigailsmybaby (I was born with nothing. So far I have most of it left.)
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To: llevrok
The greater principle is keeping Hillary and Obama out of the White House, where their policies will actively damage our country for decades to come.
278 posted on 01/10/2008 4:59:32 PM PST by GAB-1955 (Kicking and Screaming into the Kingdom of Heaven.)
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To: Jim Robinson

This seems to be an endorsement of McCain to me. Throwing in the towel already? A sad day.


279 posted on 01/10/2008 4:59:35 PM PST by Godebert
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To: Jim Robinson; Jeremiah Jr; Lijahsbubbe
If there's no FRed and no Hunter and we're left with the four headless RINOs, then what?

The four horsemen of the Apocalypse? I'm only half joking (or a quarter or an eighth).

Ugh. Better off picking a random name out of the phone book for this election.

Not to mention Bill and Hill = Ahab and Jezebel.

280 posted on 01/10/2008 4:59:36 PM PST by Ezekiel
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