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1 posted on 01/04/2008 12:24:10 PM PST by Tlaloc
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Good grief.

"The results of the Iowa caucuses reveal that conservative Christians remain a powerful force in American politics. That had to be a great shock to those on the far left," Dobson said in a written release.

Dobson exposes his ignorance of, well, everything here. The left didn't get a big shock last night, as Huckabee's win surely confirmed every stereotype they have about Republicans.

103 posted on 01/04/2008 2:17:07 PM PST by MitchellC (- www.fred08.com -)
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Unfortunately, it also shows that the Christian right is still prone to being rolled.


131 posted on 01/04/2008 2:41:27 PM PST by Busywhiskers (Strength and Honor)
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As an evangelical who used to listen to Focus on the Family, I wish Dr. Dobson would just SHUT UP.

I would have to hold my nose to vote for Chucklebee.

I would enjoy spending an afternoon with him, but don't want him to be my president. He wears his Christianity on his sleeve in a way that makes me uncomfortable.

133 posted on 01/04/2008 2:45:56 PM PST by mombonn (God is looking for spiritual fruit, not religious nuts.)
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Dobson has truly lost it, and so has Pat Robertson.


159 posted on 01/04/2008 3:28:31 PM PST by johnthebaptistmoore
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Dobson: Iowa Shows Christian Right Is Still Strong

And easily suckered.
165 posted on 01/04/2008 3:43:28 PM PST by aruanan
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I used to like Dobson, but never paid attention to his politics. If he likes the Huckster, then he doesn’t understand the connection between limited government and religious freedom.


185 posted on 01/04/2008 4:01:04 PM PST by Mr Rogers (Without limited government, there is no religous freedom!)
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Almost all of the entry polled Iowa Republicans were characterized as “evangelicals”

How do we distinguish “the Christian Right” from “evangelicals”

in my mind Evangelicals are a fraction of the Christian Right. ie....polling bias


201 posted on 01/04/2008 4:12:22 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Moveon is not us...... Moveon is the enemy)
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I think that it was cross over voters.


210 posted on 01/04/2008 4:20:57 PM PST by sport
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"Huckabee's victory "was evidence of an energized and highly motivated conservative community," Dobson said. "Not bad for a supposed bunch of demoralized, depressed, disillusioned and disengaged Reaganites."

For the reading comprehension challenged.

Dobson is referring to the Evangelicals in Iowa as "reaganites", specifically he is referring to those values voters brought into the country club republican fold by President Reagan.

It is no knock on President Reagan, rather it is a compliment to the wide appeal that President Reagan had, so much so that the term Reagan democrat was born. Reagan democrats were and are values voters.

246 posted on 01/04/2008 5:10:56 PM PST by jwalsh07
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Dobson must not care about open borders

not that many clergy do except Southern Baptists

http://www.sbc.net/resolutions/amResolution.asp?ID=1157


250 posted on 01/04/2008 5:17:08 PM PST by wardaddy (Huckabee is dancing on Thompson's card)
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man...the antipathy towards Christian conservative here is very telling


251 posted on 01/04/2008 5:18:22 PM PST by wardaddy (Huckabee is dancing on Thompson's card)
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Mike “Open Borders” Huckabee is “Christian left” or “Christian socialist.”

I think you are correct.

The AP headline says “Christian Right.” Right? Left? Let’s get this straight!

I don’t think Dobson helps much when he says:
"The results of the Iowa caucuses reveal that conservative Christians remain a powerful force in American politics. That had to be a great shock to those on the far left.”

I think the culprit here is stereotypical thinking. When the AP sees Christian, they just assume “religious right.” When Dobson considers that anyone objects to a Christian, he simply assumes they are on the “left.”

Left means powerful government, for example socialism or communism. American style socialism is of the tax, spend, regulate variety. A tax, spend, regulate Christian politician is no better in my eyes than a tax, spend, regulate atheist politician. The religious left is no better than the atheist left.

I am religious. But in this world, an alliance between the religious right and the atheist right makes sense. Let’s unite in limiting the power of government. I don’t see Mike Huckabee being of any help to Republicans, conservatives, or the right.

Fred Thompson and Duncan Hunter seem to be the candidates that best line up with modern American conservatism. Romney is talking a good game today, but some doubt his sincerity.
300 posted on 01/04/2008 7:57:46 PM PST by ChessExpert (Reagan dismantled the Russian empire of 21 conquered nations)
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Iowa is more liberal then Minnesota. And that says something about who they picked.


307 posted on 01/04/2008 9:51:49 PM PST by Brimack34
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The Huckster will probably not get the nomination but his fall is going to hurt the Christian Right political movement big time. Following this guy blindly and not asking questions will set the movement back years if not generations.

For example, it has been reported that the #1 issue for Republican caucus voters in Iowa was illegals and yet they voted for a open border/total amnesty guy.

Sad days ahead if this trend continues.


309 posted on 01/05/2008 3:03:13 AM PST by rrrod
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Dobson: Iowa Shows Christian Right Is Still Strong

No. Iowa showed than Iowans are retards.

316 posted on 01/05/2008 9:35:41 AM PST by montag813
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Dobson: Iowa Shows Christian Right Is Still Strong

No. Iowa showed that Iowans are retards.

317 posted on 01/05/2008 9:35:50 AM PST by montag813
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one wonders if evangelicals elected Jimmeh Carter? Or was it merely the left wing Babtists that carried his water?


331 posted on 01/07/2008 12:47:23 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Moveon is not us...... Moveon is the enemy)
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