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Lawyer who beat IRS sues agents (Abolish The IRS With The Fair Tax!)
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | January 4, 2008

Posted on 01/04/2008 5:06:16 AM PST by Man50D

A lawyer who was acquitted by a federal court trial jury of Internal Revenue Service accusations he failed to filed income tax returns for two years now is suing several IRS agents over their alleged improper disclosure of his personal information in the case.

A spokeswoman in the office of lawyer Tom Cryer told WND the case was assembled and filed by Cryer between Christmas Day and the end of 2007 and is expected to be placed on the docket in the U.S. District Court for the Western District of Louisiana.

Last summer in federal court a jury voted 12-0 to find Cryer, of Shreveport, not guilty of the IRS allegations. He had been indicted on 2006 on government claims he failed to pay $73,000 to the IRS in 2000 and 2001.

His successful defense was based on a challenge to the IRS to prove a constitutional foundation for the nation's income tax.

Now his claim against the government's agents, according to a report in the Shreveport Times, explains four IRS criminal investigation division workers tried to destroy his reputation during the course of their investigation in the case.

The lawsuit alleges IRS agents Jimmy H. Sandefur, Darrin A. Heusel and Judge Armand, and a trainee, Patrick Potter "entered into a smear and fear campaign to destroy Plaintiff's good reputation and law practice."

Cryer alleges the federal workers repeatedly violated federal laws that restrict the disclosure of tax information, release of information about an investigation and publicizing information about a grand jury investigation.

The report said Cryer's lawsuit alleges the agents continually raised those issues in telephone calls, during personal visits and in letters exchanged with Cryer's clients during their investigation.

The action seeks $1,000 in damages for each incident in which a federal agent compromised Cryer's confidential information.

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To: Proud2BeRight
We worked our whole lifes and paid high income tax rates, maximum Socialist Security, and Mediscare taxes on the money earned yet managed to save for retirement. Now some want to tax it again when I spend the savings in retirement.

You'll pay it anyway, Fair Tax or not.

If you buy an item from me, you have to pay my cost of producing the item, my profit margin, and my tax burden.

We're all getting screwed from multiple angles, and our savings are not exempt. The Fair Tax just spatters the same tax money all over the receipt, so we're fully aware of the cost of government.

41 posted on 01/04/2008 7:41:31 AM PST by ovrtaxt (People seemed to be content, $50 paid the rent, FREAKS WERE IN A CIRCUS TENT, Those were the days.)
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To: AntiScumbag

No, I had to help him in his shed, dig out clear plastic tupperware with the rolls and dragg a couple of them back to his house.

I just talked to him. He still has the letter. I’m going to post it as a full post. Give me a few days. Matter of fact, he said they did it to him again, this time with his personal taxes.


42 posted on 01/04/2008 7:45:22 AM PST by Leisler
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To: Hostage
whereas against Cryer they were slain.

Allow me to remind you, since you don't seem to be very bright, that Cryer still owes every single penny of tax, penalty and interest. He beat the CRIMINAL charges, he didn't beat his civil liability.

His "I'm too stupid to understand that I have to file" argument only works once in criminal court. It never works when it comes to having to pay, in fact, it's not even a defense.

The fact that he even tried to make the argument will probably get him disbarred.

It's really amazing what totally out-to-lunch people you TPs will embrace in your idiotic, futile effort to comvince anyone that they don't have to file and pay.

43 posted on 01/04/2008 7:48:38 AM PST by AntiScumbag
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To: jim_trent

Ever heard of google?


44 posted on 01/04/2008 7:51:08 AM PST by Nephi ( $100m ante is a symptom of the old media... the Ron Paul Revolution is the new media's choice.)
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To: ontap
I played high school football, and fellow drinking buddy. He eventually went to Suffolk Law school in southeast Massachusetts. A real meat and potatoes school. He had trouble get a career going and kept bartending and eventually landed a career in the Mass IRS. He said, in general, this is the approach. Three categories. Really rich people with good accountants and tax lawyers. They are too good, too tough and fight. So, not too much energy is spent. The other end are cheaters, but they’re broke. Too little money involved and it is over the internal cost to act on. Ah, but the guy in the middle is fish in a barrel. He has real property, and he can not afford to a good defense.
45 posted on 01/04/2008 7:55:52 AM PST by Leisler
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To: Man50D

The constitution already provides for tariffs. Why tax American production at the same rate as imports from communist/socialist economies?


46 posted on 01/04/2008 7:57:28 AM PST by Nephi ( $100m ante is a symptom of the old media... the Ron Paul Revolution is the new media's choice.)
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To: Proud2BeRight

“Now some want to tax it again when I spend the savings in retirement.”

BS Talking Point. Debunked numerous times. Such a talking point hasn’t flown and will not fly.

When savings are used to ‘spend’, they are taxed again in the price of purchases. Federal taxes are embedded in the price of everything; embedded taxes that the FairTax NRST is designed to replace.


47 posted on 01/04/2008 8:00:47 AM PST by Hostage
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To: Nephi

See post 37.


48 posted on 01/04/2008 8:01:34 AM PST by jim_trent
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To: jim_trent
Who said anything about any original legal documents from the trial? I certainly didn't. I was pointing out that Mr. Cryer's arguments weren't just some inane ramblings from a disgruntled taxpayer. They are actually very nicely explained and referenced. The point was that the IRS lawyers were unable to come up with any legal reasoning to counter his arguments.

Like it or not, the tactics worked and should encourage us to study them as a means of further limiting a Federal entity that has way too much abusive power.

I am interested in the fact that someone managed to do something against the IRS that was unthinkable twenty years ago. I am further interested in whether or not those four agents named in the lawsuit did violate federal law during the investigation. If so, they must be held accountable and that should be used as a precendent to hold accountable any other agents who may violate federal law in the future.
49 posted on 01/04/2008 8:10:29 AM PST by 84rules ( Ooh-Rah! Semper Fi!)
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To: Proud2BeRight

re Hostage:
TP/FT - in spades. (the usual BS)

“Federal taxes are embedded in the price of everything”

BS Talking Point. Debunked numerous times.

NRST= Not Ready [for] Sales Taxes


50 posted on 01/04/2008 8:12:53 AM PST by xcamel (FDT/2008)
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To: Nephi

Your question contains errors in fact. The federal tax burden is levied on businesses via SS/MC payroll taxes, corporate taxes and other taxes. This system of taxation on businesses accumulates in the price of products and services.

With every retail purchase, 22%-23% of the price is due to the accumulation and pass-on of federal taxation. This accumulation is known as the federal embedded tax in price.

The FairTax National Retail Sales Tax (NRST) replaces all federal embedded taxes that are siphoned from businesses deep and wide in the supply network. All of those siphoned federal taxes are ‘shunted’ to the retail end of the supply chain.

The new thing that disturbs Income tax lovers about the NRST is that it makes the federal tax burden visible. Obviously those with a stake in IRS do not want a light shone on the tax burden they oversee. They would rather remain in the shadows.

Lastly, the NRST is not applied to American exports. That means there will be an immediate reduction in prices of exports because business will no longer pay all the taxes that are abolished. This reduction in the price of exports will make American products and services greatly more competitive and will revive American manufacturing. In fact, other governments do exactly the same and that is why they are globally competitive whereas American international business is hamstrung by its current onerous system of taxation.


51 posted on 01/04/2008 8:16:47 AM PST by Hostage
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To: Nephi

Proved to be outright bunk in many, many places. embeded taxes is the favorite urban myth if the FT/TP bunch


52 posted on 01/04/2008 8:22:58 AM PST by xcamel (FDT/2008)
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To: 84rules

> “The point was that the IRS lawyers were unable to come up with any legal reasoning to counter his arguments.”

In other words, you believe everything Mr. Cryer posts without any independent verification and you would be willing to risk huge fines or jail time on that basis alone?

All I have every asked for on these threads is a link to the original legal documents on this dispute. NO ONE so far has been able to do that. Doesn’t that raise any questions?


53 posted on 01/04/2008 8:26:08 AM PST by jim_trent
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To: jim_trent

I suggest you contact a legal firm in Lousiana and have them go to the courthouse and get the transcripts.

As for your ‘ranting’ about the IRS’s previous victories, that was already explained to you. The people they targeted were no match for their tactics.

Surely there are tax cheats but there are also those that stand on principles. Usually when a person stands on principles and has a case, the IRS folds before trial claiming a ‘technical problem’ which is code for them not having a case. Therefore, the stronger cases never see court whereas the weak ones are used to pass on the image of the IRS being tough on tax cheats.

But in the Cryer case the IRS did not fold but lost at trial.


54 posted on 01/04/2008 8:26:17 AM PST by Hostage
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To: Hostage

Oh, Good!
...I’ll stop paying taxes now!

/sarc

Note to self:
‘Search engines ALWAYS lead you to the truth!’


55 posted on 01/04/2008 8:28:29 AM PST by G Larry (HILLARY CARE = DYING IN LINE!)
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To: AntiScumbag

You can go ahead and spell out TP.

I pay taxes so you can call me whatever you want. Attaching labels does not win arguments.

Cryer will be disbarred? On what grounds? I want to hear them. I know you have no facts to back it up other than a couple of IRS cowboys want revenge.

As for your last question, are you threatening me?


56 posted on 01/04/2008 8:30:36 AM PST by Hostage
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To: Hostage

I notice you did not volunteer that you were going to stop paying taxes, too. If not, why (seeing as how you believe everything that one side — Cryer — has posted)?


57 posted on 01/04/2008 8:31:57 AM PST by jim_trent
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To: Man50D

The fair tax won’t eliminate the IRS. The IRS or an agency just like it will have to keep track of all earnings and transactions to try to catch people buying and selling on the massive new black market that the 30 percent sales tax will generate.


58 posted on 01/04/2008 8:32:47 AM PST by mysterio
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To: G Larry

Who said anything about not paying taxes?

Sarcasm does not win arguments.

And search engines are used greatly in assembling information. Otherwise if you like, you can pay for the transcripts by contacting the Court.


59 posted on 01/04/2008 8:36:45 AM PST by Hostage
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To: Hostage; AntiScumbag

Oh really?
Why do you insist and calling people “SQL’s” and “Income tax Lovers” on a regular basis and on many, many threads..


60 posted on 01/04/2008 8:39:09 AM PST by xcamel (FDT/2008)
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