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Lawyer who beat IRS sues agents (Abolish The IRS With The Fair Tax!)
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | January 4, 2008

Posted on 01/04/2008 5:06:16 AM PST by Man50D

A lawyer who was acquitted by a federal court trial jury of Internal Revenue Service accusations he failed to filed income tax returns for two years now is suing several IRS agents over their alleged improper disclosure of his personal information in the case.

A spokeswoman in the office of lawyer Tom Cryer told WND the case was assembled and filed by Cryer between Christmas Day and the end of 2007 and is expected to be placed on the docket in the U.S. District Court for the Western District of Louisiana.

Last summer in federal court a jury voted 12-0 to find Cryer, of Shreveport, not guilty of the IRS allegations. He had been indicted on 2006 on government claims he failed to pay $73,000 to the IRS in 2000 and 2001.

His successful defense was based on a challenge to the IRS to prove a constitutional foundation for the nation's income tax.

Now his claim against the government's agents, according to a report in the Shreveport Times, explains four IRS criminal investigation division workers tried to destroy his reputation during the course of their investigation in the case.

The lawsuit alleges IRS agents Jimmy H. Sandefur, Darrin A. Heusel and Judge Armand, and a trainee, Patrick Potter "entered into a smear and fear campaign to destroy Plaintiff's good reputation and law practice."

Cryer alleges the federal workers repeatedly violated federal laws that restrict the disclosure of tax information, release of information about an investigation and publicizing information about a grand jury investigation.

The report said Cryer's lawsuit alleges the agents continually raised those issues in telephone calls, during personal visits and in letters exchanged with Cryer's clients during their investigation.

The action seeks $1,000 in damages for each incident in which a federal agent compromised Cryer's confidential information.

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To: jim_trent
If you bother to actually look at my posts, I NEVER said Mr. Cryer was a liar. I said what he posted was one-sided. He is a lawyer. Being one sided is their business. I like to hear both sides before making any kind of a decision, especially one that could put me in jail.

Let's put it this way: Then, if you like to hear both before making decisions tht is wise; but jumping to conclusions and alleging that he has deliberately misled others on his website BEFORE you have both sides (which you have admitted) then that makes you either a blow-hard fool or a liar -- or both.

141 posted on 01/04/2008 3:25:34 PM PST by Turret Gunner A20
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To: fabian
I think Huckabee’s appeal is largely the fairtax deal. I just wish he was more conservative
Hmmm? What does that say about the "Fairtax deal"?
142 posted on 01/04/2008 3:27:20 PM PST by lewislynn (What does the global warming movement and the Fairtax movement have in common? Disinformation)
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To: lewislynn

good one...


143 posted on 01/04/2008 3:32:47 PM PST by xcamel (FDT/2008)
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To: gondramB

I wouldn’t be too shocked if this was just a case of jury nullification. If true, though, it’s awfully telling that the IRS is less popular among 12 jurors than a lawyer is.


144 posted on 01/04/2008 3:34:37 PM PST by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country.)
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To: Hostage
With every retail purchase, 22%-23% of the price is due to the accumulation and pass-on of federal taxation.

Still highlighting your poor math skills I see.

145 posted on 01/04/2008 3:36:59 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (What came first, the bad math or the goldbuggery?)
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To: Hostage
Yes, I said military. The outlays for defense are exactly matched by corporate taxes and borrowing. Look it up in 1040 instructions, 2006, page 83.

This was funny the last time you claimed it. Still wrong, but funny.

146 posted on 01/04/2008 3:41:55 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (What came first, the bad math or the goldbuggery?)
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To: Hostage

>>With every retail purchase, 22%-23% of the price is due to the accumulation and pass-on of federal taxation. This accumulation is known as the federal embedded tax in price.<<

Do you know what the biggest components of that are?


147 posted on 01/04/2008 3:42:46 PM PST by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words.)
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To: Hostage
If the Federal Reserve was federalized under the Department of the Treasury, then there would be no need for the United States to pay interest on its borrowing.

Why? People would keep buying T-Bills if they paid no interest? LOL!

148 posted on 01/04/2008 3:43:34 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (What came first, the bad math or the goldbuggery?)
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To: Hostage
As to your comment that enforcement will have to be expanded, it is without evidence and indeed there is evidence against it. A few thousand large retailers will provide more than 70% of all NRST receipts collected. that means that enforcement authorities will have a much smaller base than presently to monitor for the remaining revenues. In fact, there will be 90% fewer filers allowing for fewer tax enforcers.

Statement of Billy Hamilton, Deputy Comptroller,
Office of the Texas Comptroller of Public Accounts,
on behalf of Honorable Carole Keeton Rylander, Texas State Comptroller of Public Accounts

Testimony Before the House Committee on Ways and Means

Hearing on Fundamental Tax Reform

April 11, 2000

My name is Billy Hamilton, and I am the Deputy Comptroller for the State of Texas. Carole Keeton Rylander, the Texas Comptroller of Public Accounts, was delighted to receive an invitation to testify before this committee regarding the Fundamental Tax Reform measures under consideration today. Unfortunately, Comptroller Rylander's schedule did not permit her attendance, and she has asked me to testify here on her behalf.

My comments today are directed only to the feasibility of state administration of the Fair Tax proposed by H.R. 2525. I do not intend to comment on the economics or any other aspects of the proposal.

The Texas Comptroller's office has administered a sales and use tax since the 1960's, and I have been involved with administration of the tax since 1982. Last year, the Texas Comptroller collected $13 billion in sales tax revenue from more than 600,000 businesses. I offer my own experience with sales tax administration, as well as the size of Texas' sales tax program, as the basis of my qualification to speak to you about the administerability of H.R. 2525.

As you know, H.R. 2525 would permit states to collect and administer the Fair Tax on behalf of the federal government. In my opinion, Texas would be well-equipped to administer the Fair Tax based on our experience in administering our own sales tax. Even though the base, rate and other characteristics of the Fair Tax are significantly different from the Texas sales tax, it would be feasible for our office to collect the Fair Tax by expanding and enhancing the systems we currently have in place. For example, we would:

· Expand our current system for registering Texas retailers to include registration of sellers under the Fair Tax (615,000 businesses are currently registered as sellers in Texas; under the Fair Tax, 1.5 million Texas businesses would have to be registered);

· Expand our taxpayer assistance efforts to respond to a larger volume of telephone, letter and e-mail inquiries from sellers who collect the Fair Tax and individuals who pay it;

· Expand our Revenue Processing Division to process more returns and tax payments on a more frequent basis and to remit tax collections to the federal government on an almost-daily basis;

· Expand our current audit team and train all auditors to examine businesses for both the Fair Tax and the Texas sales tax; and

· Expand our information technology systems to collect and maintain the computerized records critical to effective administration of a consumption tax like the Fair Tax.

The expansion of our systems to administer the Fair Tax, in the manner I've just described, would be sizable. Under the Fair Tax, we would serve approximately 900,000 more filers than we do currently. We estimate that serving that many additional taxpayers would require 1,100 to 1,600 more full-time employees. The Texas Comptroller currently employs about 2,700 people on a full-time basis.

In spite of this large expansion, the compensation for collecting the Fair Tax that would be provided to states under H.R. 2525 would likely cover our projected costs. As a first approximation, we estimate that the cost to the Texas Comptroller's office for collecting the Fair Tax at full implementation would be $100 to $150 million per year. I emphasize, however, that there would be significant costs to begin collection, including the cost of facilities to house the additional processing facilities, the capital costs of information technology and revenue processing equipment, and the costs of notifying, registering and educating taxpayers on the new tax.

In closing, I believe that if the Fair Tax is to become a reality, the U.S. government would be well-served to make use of the existing expertise of the states. Many states have administered consumption taxes since the 1930s and have developed particular capabilities in this area. We also have extensive experience in dealing with the affected businesses. As long as the administrative fee paid to the state is adequate in relation to the costs of collection, I see no reason that the State of Texas could not effectively administer the Fair Tax.


One of you doesn't know what you're talking about.
149 posted on 01/04/2008 3:45:25 PM PST by lewislynn (What does the global warming movement and the Fairtax movement have in common? Disinformation)
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To: Man50D
Flat tax please. The Fair Tax just sets up another bureaucratic hell hole to harass merchants.
150 posted on 01/04/2008 3:49:52 PM PST by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: lewislynn

Never let the truth get in the way of really juicy propaganda...


151 posted on 01/04/2008 3:50:14 PM PST by xcamel (FDT/2008)
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To: xcamel
This is what you said:

I proves flatly the “big lie” about embedded taxes being anything north of 5% on it’s worst day.

THAT lie was what I answered with:

"Oh? The employer isn't required to pay any social security "contribution" (tax) any more? That is going to be a big shock to quite a few folks. ...." I said nothing about income taxes.

And you come back, calling me a liar, with this damned lie:

SS is an entitlement tax, not an income tax. But you FT/TP’s love to lie your way around that one like everything else.

You aren't even a good liar -- just a viscious one.

152 posted on 01/04/2008 3:51:45 PM PST by Turret Gunner A20
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To: Sgt_Schultze
First things first. Repeal of the 16th Amendment. Pass a new amendment speciffically forbidding the federal government from collecting revenue without apportionment.

I think those would all go in a new amendment enabling anything like a Fair Tax.
153 posted on 01/04/2008 3:53:07 PM PST by dan1123 (You are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect. --Jesus)
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To: xcamel

By the way — when are you going to learn what “embedded” means??


154 posted on 01/04/2008 3:53:24 PM PST by Turret Gunner A20
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To: Turret Gunner A20

Yawn...

another tax deranged curmudgeon.
155 posted on 01/04/2008 3:55:00 PM PST by xcamel (FDT/2008)
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To: Turret Gunner A20

when are you going to learn how not to use 5 posts to answer one?


156 posted on 01/04/2008 3:55:41 PM PST by xcamel (FDT/2008)
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To: lewislynn
Hmmm? What does that say about the "Fairtax deal"?

Why don't you tell us?

157 posted on 01/04/2008 3:58:25 PM PST by Turret Gunner A20
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To: Turret Gunner A20
Here's a place you can go to work on that Irrational Rage Syndrome

Smash Here

158 posted on 01/04/2008 4:09:19 PM PST by xcamel (FDT/2008)
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To: Turret Gunner A20
Here..
and it’s post 250-363
pretty well puts a fork in your embedded tax delusion..
159 posted on 01/04/2008 4:38:13 PM PST by xcamel (FDT/2008)
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To: Turret Gunner A20

here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1946591/posts


160 posted on 01/04/2008 4:38:50 PM PST by xcamel (FDT/2008)
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