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Lawyer who beat IRS sues agents (Abolish The IRS With The Fair Tax!)
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | January 4, 2008

Posted on 01/04/2008 5:06:16 AM PST by Man50D

A lawyer who was acquitted by a federal court trial jury of Internal Revenue Service accusations he failed to filed income tax returns for two years now is suing several IRS agents over their alleged improper disclosure of his personal information in the case.

A spokeswoman in the office of lawyer Tom Cryer told WND the case was assembled and filed by Cryer between Christmas Day and the end of 2007 and is expected to be placed on the docket in the U.S. District Court for the Western District of Louisiana.

Last summer in federal court a jury voted 12-0 to find Cryer, of Shreveport, not guilty of the IRS allegations. He had been indicted on 2006 on government claims he failed to pay $73,000 to the IRS in 2000 and 2001.

His successful defense was based on a challenge to the IRS to prove a constitutional foundation for the nation's income tax.

Now his claim against the government's agents, according to a report in the Shreveport Times, explains four IRS criminal investigation division workers tried to destroy his reputation during the course of their investigation in the case.

The lawsuit alleges IRS agents Jimmy H. Sandefur, Darrin A. Heusel and Judge Armand, and a trainee, Patrick Potter "entered into a smear and fear campaign to destroy Plaintiff's good reputation and law practice."

Cryer alleges the federal workers repeatedly violated federal laws that restrict the disclosure of tax information, release of information about an investigation and publicizing information about a grand jury investigation.

The report said Cryer's lawsuit alleges the agents continually raised those issues in telephone calls, during personal visits and in letters exchanged with Cryer's clients during their investigation.

The action seeks $1,000 in damages for each incident in which a federal agent compromised Cryer's confidential information.

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To: jim_trent
All I have every asked for on these threads is a link to the original legal documents on this dispute. NO ONE so far has been able to do that. Doesn’t that raise any questions?

Yeah. Why don't you do a bit of research, and tell us what you come up with.

Your naked claim that Mr. Cryer is a liar is as worthless as you claim his web site to be.

121 posted on 01/04/2008 12:32:24 PM PST by Turret Gunner A20
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To: mysterio

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122 posted on 01/04/2008 12:37:30 PM PST by Turret Gunner A20
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To: Hostage
If you were to read the transcripts and conclude that Cryer’s defense was ‘true’, what would you do?

For one, not think Cryer is a sham like all the other tax protesters. Two, have some hope for the future.

Personally I've only had one problem with the IRS, quickly fixed with a simple letter.

123 posted on 01/04/2008 12:48:10 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Turret Gunner A20

> “Your naked claim that Mr. Cryer is a liar is as worthless as you claim his web site to be.”

If you bother to actually look at my posts, I NEVER said Mr. Cryer was a liar. I said what he posted was one-sided. He is a lawyer. Being one sided is their business. I like to hear both sides before making any kind of a decision, especially one that could put me in jail.

I guess that your saying I called him a liar makes you a liar, right?


124 posted on 01/04/2008 1:17:53 PM PST by jim_trent
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To: antiRepublicrat
For one, not think Cryer is a sham like all the other tax protesters.

I know that some tax protestors seem to be on the fringe. I see people and all their flaws, I will not judge them.

Some tax protestors are reputable law-abiding people but they do not have the legal training and trial experience of a Tom Cryer, so they become victims in their IRS entanglements. When they end up in prison, they are easily mocked.

But these are human qualities set apart from whatever wrong policies are pursued in America. In other words, the mockers and the mockees will always be around whether it's Income tax or FairTax. Human nature is what it is.

Two, have some hope for the future.

Hope will never be found in proving that the present Tax Code has been manipulated illegally. Because more amendments will fly as a result of addressing the corruption in the Code. The Code's problems are not in its illegality but in its setting as a place where corruption finds a home.

More than 16,000 tax code amendments have been run through since Ronald Reagan signed the 1986 Tax Reform. The number of tax lobbyists since then has more than quadrupled. The present Tax Code has grown like a cancer because it is a cancer with its root in the 16th Amendment.

You will never find hope in it or around it.

Personally I've only had one problem with the IRS, quickly fixed with a simple letter.

Excellent and congratulations. May you never experience the real and genuine horrors of their criminal division or their unrestrained auditors. Many IRS employees are actually quite pleasant but unfortunately some of them, especially IRS attorneys, are judged in performance reviews with how aggressive they have or have not been in 'winning' cases and 'recovering' revenues (like a traffic cop out to fill a quota, "revenuers"). Doing well on a performance review often leads to heavy handed, harsh and deceptive tactics regardless of the taxpayers willingness to comply. Sometimes the code is so complex, the taxpayer merely wants help with how they can get the paper work right.

All in all a very civil exchange, the way it should be.

And one last note. Major tax reform occurs about every 20-30 years. We are due for one now, but this time it has to be different because we have major issues with demographics, entitlements and illegal immigration filling the vacuum left by skewing of the demographics. Tinkering with the current Tax Code will not work this time, not even with a Flat Tax.

125 posted on 01/04/2008 1:22:49 PM PST by Hostage
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To: Hostage
The present Tax Code has grown like a cancer because it is a cancer with its root in the 16th Amendment.

You will never find hope in it or around it.

A M E N! ! ! A statement that bears repeating at every opportunity!

In fact, the entire post is directly on point! Well done!

We will never again be a truly FREE people for so long as we abide the communist inspired income tax and the IRS!

126 posted on 01/04/2008 1:32:55 PM PST by Bigun (IRS sucks @getridof it.com)
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To: Lloyd227

>>”...talking to his clients seems a reasonable way for that investigation to proceed.”


Oh come on and think just a bit... “talking to clients” is not the potential issue, but what is might be what was said to those clients.

For example, I just opened an investigation about you regarding some potentical incidents involving possession and distribution of child pornography. Shall I just announce this investigation on the public forums or discuss them with your friends & family? :-)<<

I’m sure your right that its what was said.

In an investigation like kiddy porn I can see talking to the people the subject shared a PC with or lived with or people who might have seen him with kids.

In this case, since this guy is accused of running fraudulent tax shelters I can see talking to people who he might have helped with finances.

But frankly this guy is such a high profile tax protester I’m not sure he has any right to have the investigators refrain from letting the public know he was a suspect.


127 posted on 01/04/2008 2:05:27 PM PST by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words.)
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To: The Pack Knight

>>I’m pretty sure the 7th Circuit ruled that that wasn’t a valid defense, though I don’t know if the 5th Circuit has dealt with this issue and I’m pretty sure the Supreme Court hasn’t.<<

My understanding is that no federal court has ever ruled a defense like that is valid. The states clearly intended to make a income tax a settled issue.

For that matter income tax on labor was already constitutional. It was income tax on property etc that was iffy.


128 posted on 01/04/2008 2:09:51 PM PST by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words.)
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To: xcamel

Proved to be outright bunk in many, many places. embeded taxes is the favorite urban myth if the FT/TP bunch
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You don’t really think that a manufacturer “pays” those taxes do you? ... Of course not they go into the price of his goods... Whats so hard to understand?


129 posted on 01/04/2008 2:13:19 PM PST by Neidermeyer
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To: Neidermeyer
the LIE that it's "23%" repeated over, and over, and over, and over...
130 posted on 01/04/2008 2:18:02 PM PST by xcamel (FDT/2008)
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To: Man50D

Ping


131 posted on 01/04/2008 2:23:38 PM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea
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To: Your Nightmare; Always Right; lewislynn; lucysmom; robertpaulsen; Filo; longtermmemmory; ...

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132 posted on 01/04/2008 2:24:10 PM PST by xcamel (FDT/2008)
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To: xcamel
I proves flatly the “big lie” about embedded taxes being anything north of 5% on it’s worst day.

Oh? The employer isn't required to pay any social security "contribution" (tax) any more? That is going to be a big shock to quite a few folks.

What do you want to lie about now?

I suggest you quit snorting so much of that stuff.

133 posted on 01/04/2008 2:50:43 PM PST by Turret Gunner A20
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To: Turret Gunner A20

SS is an entitlement tax, not an income tax. But you FT/TP’s love to lie your way around that one like everything else.


134 posted on 01/04/2008 2:59:42 PM PST by xcamel (FDT/2008)
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To: jim_trent
I guess that your saying I called him a liar makes you a liar, right?

Not necessarily -- but it will do until you prove that what he put on his web site is inaccurate/worthless.

135 posted on 01/04/2008 3:01:25 PM PST by Turret Gunner A20
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To: ovrtaxt
If you buy an item from me, you have to pay my cost of producing the item, my profit margin, and my tax burden.

All typically much less than 23%.

136 posted on 01/04/2008 3:03:41 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (What came first, the bad math or the goldbuggery?)
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To: Turret Gunner A20
Not necessarily -- it will do stand as the truth until you prove that what he put on his web site is inaccurate/worthless. Until then, I still say you called him a liar.
137 posted on 01/04/2008 3:09:43 PM PST by Turret Gunner A20
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To: Turret Gunner A20
Not necessarily -- it will do stand as the truth until you prove that what he put on his web site is inaccurate/worthless. Until then, I still say you called him a liar.
138 posted on 01/04/2008 3:10:27 PM PST by Turret Gunner A20
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To: Turret Gunner A20
Correction: Not necessarily -- it will do stand as the truth until you prove that what he put on his web site is inaccurate/worthless. Until then, I still say you called him a liar.
139 posted on 01/04/2008 3:10:44 PM PST by Turret Gunner A20
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To: xcamel

SS is an entitlement tax, not an income tax. But you FT/TP’s love to lie your way around that one like everything else.
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SS ,, being that it is deducted from my income the same as the income tax ,,, AND being that the funds go to the “general fund” same as the income tax I don’t see any relevance to your “Lie! Lie! Lie!” responses to the post...

When can you assemble a reasoned argument?

P.S. SS tax is not an “entitlement tax” ,, I have no “entitlement” ,, I have an obligation to pay (at the point of a gun and the promise of prison time) ,, the gov’t has no obligation to return one cent to me.


140 posted on 01/04/2008 3:13:04 PM PST by Neidermeyer
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