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Can Hip-Hop Still Be Artistically Viable When It's Getting Spanked ... ? (DinoMedia DeathWatchâ„¢)
Idolator ^ | January 3 2008 | MAURA JOHNSTON

Posted on 01/03/2008 8:58:33 AM PST by Milhous

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To: John Williams

There is some validity to that argument ;)


22 posted on 01/03/2008 1:01:51 PM PST by reagan_fanatic (Ron Paul put the cuckoo in my Cocoa Puffs)
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To: wideawake

That makes too much sense.


23 posted on 01/03/2008 1:09:11 PM PST by razorback-bert (Remember that amateurs built the Ark while professionals built the Titanic.)
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To: reagan_fanatic

Metal underwent a substantive degredation of its own in the late 19080’s, as the more melodic, guitar heavy style of bands like Dio, Queensryche, and Iron Maiden was brushed aside by a wave of what became known as “death metal” (or “deth” if you’re an anti-spelling reb). The soaring vocals were replaced with gutteral grunting, on-the-torture-rack shouting, and untintelligible maniacal ravings, set against an undercurrent of unrelenting dual-bass-drum quads.

The same effect can be achieved by shouting over the din of an idling top-fuel dragster.

Additionally, the lyrics (to use the term loosely) darkened substantially, involving more recurrent themes of bodily violence, murder, rape, bloody gore, suicide, necrophilia, damnation, intertwined with overtly Satanic cultic references, all proffered in an attitude of raging frustration. Though some of that can be found in 70’s and ‘80’s metal, the metal scene after the mid-80’s became completely obsessed with it, and has never looked back.

A stark comparison would set Black Sabbath’s “Heaven and Hell” alongside, say, Exodous’ “Bonded by Blood”.

I can’t delve more deeply into it than that, ‘cuz I didn’t follow the metal scene down that dark and bloody road. When they kicked harmony to the curb, I stayed with her.


24 posted on 01/03/2008 1:23:06 PM PST by HKMk23 (On the Ninth Day of Christmas my True Love gave to me Nine Ladies Dancing...)
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To: wideawake

I will be satisfied if it is relegatied to jazz or disco status. Right now it is still way too popular.


25 posted on 01/03/2008 1:24:59 PM PST by vpintheak (Like a muddied spring or a polluted well is a righteous man who gives way to the wicked. Prov. 25:26)
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To: Milhous

Rap destroyed what was left of ‘soul’ music.

That said, can ya hook a brotha up?!


26 posted on 01/03/2008 1:30:02 PM PST by subterfuge (HILLARY IS: She who must NOT be Dismayed)
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To: vpintheak
Right now it is still way too popular.

As a fan of hip hop, I don't think it's too popular - too popular would mean that it would be difficult for me to get tickets to shows I wanted to attend.

And I can get in.

27 posted on 01/03/2008 1:33:02 PM PST by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: subterfuge
Rap destroyed what was left of ‘soul’ music.

Actually, soul music was already dead when hip hop took over. It had been replaced by disco - every soul artist of note had either gone disco or fell off the charts.

The "neo-soul" music renaissance that has revitalized soul music - with artists like D'Angelo, Erykah Badu, Jill Scott, Anthony Hamilton, Angie Stone, Gnarls Barkley - has begun as an outgrowth of hip hop and these artists are generally produced by hip hop beatmakers.

These singers favor funky, pre-disco grooves of the kind used by singers like Stevie Wonder, Donny Hathaway and Marvin Gaye in the early 70s - precisely the same kind of grooves most favored by East Coast hardcore hip hop producers.

28 posted on 01/03/2008 1:39:48 PM PST by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: wideawake

That’s my point, since people are still holding concerts, it is way too popular. Mostly it’s not the music I can’t stand; it’s the disgusting behavior of many of the performers, and the whole disgusting treatment of women. I could go on and on.


29 posted on 01/03/2008 2:36:33 PM PST by vpintheak (Like a muddied spring or a polluted well is a righteous man who gives way to the wicked. Prov. 25:26)
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To: wideawake

Wideawake - fan of hip hop?????


30 posted on 01/03/2008 2:38:13 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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To: vpintheak

I believe that it is autistically viable.


31 posted on 01/03/2008 2:47:23 PM PST by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them, or they like us?)
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To: Milhous

Is there a translation available for this article? It appears to be written in an alternate form of English.


32 posted on 01/03/2008 4:33:27 PM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Global warming is to Revelations as the theory of evolution is to Genesis.)
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To: HKMk23

Two words:

Cannibal Corpse.. rock on!

I like gangster rap too btw. The louder the better. I guess I am still a young man. ;-)


33 posted on 01/03/2008 4:35:58 PM PST by Smogger (It's the WOT Stupid)
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To: wideawake
And jazz still sucks.
34 posted on 01/03/2008 4:39:09 PM PST by JasonC
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To: Pyro7480
wideawake - fan of quality hip hop.

I grew up in Harlem, Bushwick and Glendale NYC in the 80s.

I had a front row seat in Old School.

35 posted on 01/03/2008 6:14:04 PM PST by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: JasonC; wideawake

I’ve always preffered Ragtime to Jazz. The latter de-emphasized the role of the composer almost to the bottom of the rung. Even the arranger is more important than the composer in Jazz. The most important figure in the history of Jazz, Louis Armstrong, has a pitiful record as a composer. Scott Joplin on the other hand...


36 posted on 01/03/2008 6:16:31 PM PST by Borges
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To: wideawake
Tell me what you think of this then. The DJ is Japanese, and so is the person who created the video collage (I think is of Tokyo).

Nujabes - Tsurugi No Mai

37 posted on 01/03/2008 6:57:33 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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To: Borges
Music that is meant to be about the composer or the performer or their background or their lifestyle, is really just as bad as it sounds. Music is not for the sake of the musician (any role, in any manner), but for the sake of the listeners. There is such a thing as dedication to an art - then the needs of the art come first, and the artist himself humbly vanishes. If others recognize skill, whoopie do, never the point.
38 posted on 01/03/2008 7:09:23 PM PST by JasonC
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To: Borges
Scott Joplin on the other hand...

You actually need both hands to play Joplin. LOL. Or Barrelhouse Welch. ;) Or the high sheriff from hell, Lord have mercy.


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39 posted on 01/03/2008 7:23:53 PM PST by Milhous (Gn 22:17 your descendants shall take possession of the gates of their enemies)
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To: JasonC

Great composers redfine the Art and listeners can choose to go along or not. It’s been a century since Schoenberg’s atonal stuff and it still doesn’t really have a mass audience.


40 posted on 01/03/2008 7:57:18 PM PST by Borges
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