RP certainly wouldn´t pull this kind of crap.
Posted on 12/27/2007 2:33:22 PM PST by SeafoodGumbo
Ron Paul blames the assassination of Benazir Bhutto on the “interventionist”
policy of the United States, and says Al Qaeda is justified in being “annoyed” at us.
Yes, he's quite a guy. My post from a couple months ago as to why they're supporting Paul, who is more than willing to advance their agenda if it brings him a few votes and a few $.
You might find this article, White Supremacists Rallying Around Ron Paul's Presidential Campaign , interesting. Most of the content has already been posted, but White Will "burn the Jews" Williams states one of the two reasons the hate community is supporting Paul as clearly as I've seen.
On Oct. 4 Will Williams, a former leader of the National Alliance, a neo-Nazi group, posted on the neo-Nazi Vanguard News Network that white supremacy supporters should support Paul for president.
"Till then I recommend folks get involved in the Ron Paul 'revolution' and work with political activists in your communities who are attracted to his anti-globalist message," Williams wrote. "Be disciplined. Blend in; find common ground with them and artfully radicalize those who are receptive and avoid those who are not. ... Most of you would be surprised at how many good people can be exposed to a, let's say, 'pro-majority' message among the remarkable groundswell of fed-up, mostly white Ron Paul supporters -- many, early on, from the 9/11 truth movement. They are finding their backbones as they are exposed to more and more hidden truths, especially about the hidden hand of Jewry behind every foul venture
It's an outstanding recruiting opportunity. In addition to recruiting, it presents a unique opportunity for hate groups to attempt to normalize themself with in the American political community. For decades they message has been rejected, that's something they'd like to change.
When the Paul campaign states If they want to waste their money on us we will take it and use it to promote freedom and individual rights, not their agenda, they're dead wrong, these groups are getting precisely what they want, recruits and a voice in the political process.
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Time for Paul to reactivate the old Populist Party.
Recent incarnations In 1984, the Populist Party name was revived by some extreme right activists including Willis Carto. The party's 1984 presidential nominee, Olympic medalist and ordained minister Bob Richards, and running mate Maureen Salaman carried 66,324 votes. This party became the electoral vehicle for the right-wing Presidential campaigns of former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke in 1988, and of former Green Beret officer Bo Gritz in 1992, but was defunct by 1996. Willis Carto and party chair Don Wassall were said to be rivals competing for control of the party. In 1994 the anti-Carto group won the internal struggle and re-organized the group as the American Nationalist Union.
White Will Williams. You could check the links in posts 215 and 221 if you're interested
That’s just ugly at so many levels.
“”I believe in leaving people the hell alone and then turning them into glass if they pose real threat.””
Tell me again why you support Ron Paul?
Ok, so we leave Pakistan to go straight to hell by handing them over to these terrorist groups. At what point would you have considered Pakistan a “real” threat?
If any of those groups have had any recruits because of Paul I'd be shocked. Other than a few of you SPLC types, nobody gives a crap about these scumbags. It's people like you who are posting their message of hate. If I didn't know any better...
“”I believe in leaving people the hell alone and then turning them into glass if they pose real threat.””
Tell me again why you support Ron Paul?
Nice try, but answer the question.
Terrorist groups do not control Pakistan — you think if they controlled nuclear weapons they would be silent about
it?
I asked a question, try answering it. When is Pakistan considered a “real threat”? Why hasn’t Paul called for the launching of B-2s to turn Pakistan into a parking lot?
“”Other than a few of you SPLC types, nobody gives a crap about these scumbags””
But their money is green just like everyone else’s right?
No one gives a crap about them save for those who temporarily misplace their moral character while they have their hand out accepting cash from them.
Pakistan is very much a threat at this very moment. We can act against imminent threats without supporting dictatorships and without dorking around with nation building. We should stick to our strengths, which is nation wrecking not nation building.
This thread like most RP posts is not about his positions. In fact, this entire post is ¨fake but real¨ in the sense that the quotes consist of single words out of context.
I´ve been following RP for years and have chatted with him in person, I´m not particularly worried about his willingness to use force.
I was wondering when someone would notice that.
We now return to your regularly scheduled uninformed blathering.
Your post here is a complete contradiction to what you stated previously.
Ron Paul has no credible foreign policy and you pretty much gave testament to that with your reply here.
While we are answering questions, here is one for you.
Should Americans be forced to continue paying taxes in support Musharraf´s dictorship.
Yes or no?
Should we be forced to support the UN (Congressional Republicans say yes 2 to 1) ?
Here is where we separate the men from the boys.
The UN has proven to be utterly useless as a tool to promote stability and peace.
It has, however, proven to be useful in extracting tribute from the United States, and reducing our sovereignty.
Not really. The tribal areas areas are most likely where OBL is hiding and are a threat. And in the event the country collapses into civil war we have to take out the nuke sites.
So far, Bush has done nothing about the tribal areas except send my taxes to a dictator. The Saudis have been pretty much untouched as well.
I´m unimpressed.
¨We must not forget that the 9/11 terrorists came principally from Saudi Arabia, not Iraq, Iran, Lebanon, or Syria. Iran has never in modern times invaded her neighbors, yet we worry obsessively that she may develop a nuclear weapon someday. Never mind that a radicalized Pakistan has nuclear weapons; our friend Musharraf won’t lift a finger against bin Laden, who most likely is hiding there. ¨ - Ron Paul
RP certainly wouldn´t pull this kind of crap.
Apparently you didn't visit the Ron Paul "meetup" thread which your correspondent, SJackson, linked just up thread. The seemingly typically diverse group of Paul supporters there clearly DID "give a crap" about neo-Nazi Will Williams, and were PO'ed at meetup.com for booting him, demanding that he be reinstated, etc. Some expressed disagreement with his views, but all such was very mildly expressed, "don't see eye-to-eye" type stuff. Several users said they liked having him around, thought he supported his arguments well, etc.
It's people like you who are posting their message of hate. If I didn't know any better...
Are you really that clueless, or just pretending to be?
The very last thing these people want is for their hate speech -- what they really think, what they write on their own websites -- to be posted in other forums. They want to remain under the radar, to "blend in" and feel out potential recruits under cover of normalcy (or what passes for such on a Ronulan site). In this regard consider the advice to "White Nationalists" from "White Will" himself, specifically regarding participation in Ron Paul forums, which SJackson quoted in #221:
"Be disciplined. Blend in; find common ground with them and artfully radicalize those who are receptive and avoid those who are not. ... Most of you would be surprised at how many good people can be exposed to a, let's say, 'pro-majority' message among the remarkable groundswell of fed-up, mostly white Ron Paul supporters -- many, early on, from the 9/11 truth movement. They are finding their backbones as they are exposed to more and more hidden truths, especially about the hidden hand of Jewry behind every foul venture."
Also notice how the Ron Paul campaign, and Ron Paul forums, and ordinary Ron Paul supporters, and Ron Paul himself, all facilitate "White Will"'s "blend in" strategy by NOT exposing his like and NOT discussing their ideology. For instance go back to that Ron Paul "meetup" thread again. Several users there ask who is Will Williams and why was he banned. Although certainly many users there could have answered these queries, NO ONE DID. Even the the only user there NOT demanding Will's reinstatement (who seemed like a more official campaign work of some type) just said that meetup had banned him, nothing the campaign can do, let's just get past it and focus on the campaign, etc, and would say nothing about the reason for the banning. (Probably, considering the subject, an antisemitic outburst.)
In this same vein Ron Paul himself will only issue proforma disavowals when pressed: usually saying only that he doesn't "endorse" the neo-Nazis (often, btw, adding that he doesn't endorse ANY donors or supporters, i.e. normalizing neo-Nazis by comparison) but never himself actually using descriptive terms like "neo-Nazi," or otherwise describing or acknowledging their particular ideology.
Consider that THIS IS EXACTLY THE SAME WAY THE MAIN STREAM MEDIA NORMALIZES AND MAINSTREAMS THE FAR LEFT. The New York Times, for example, is never going to tell you about about what the folks with A.N.S.W.E.R. and Code Pink really think, or in any fashion describe or acknowledge their Stalinist and Maoist ideologies; and certainly the left-extremists don't want them to do so. It is precisely by ignoring and suppressing such matters, and instead treating them as normal anti-war activists, that the New York Times and other MSM outlets empower them.
And guess what? If unavoidably pressed on this, the MSM enablers are going to give exactly the same kind of response you just did! "Oh, these folks are a fringe group, sure, but they don't represent the bulk of the anti-war movement. There's no reason to expect other anti-war activists to denounce them or marginalize them or disassociate with them," blah, blah, blah.
Believe it or not most extremists, both left and right, understand their marginalized status, and understand the limitations this status places on them. As such they are willing to patiently pursue fitful and incremental demarginalization and legitimization. They are ever and always searching for social venues and institutions which will -- so long as they don't behave too, too outrageously, to a point impossible to pretend to ignore -- refuse to marginalize them, which will treat them as normal. That's what the MSM does for Code Pink, and that's what you and Ron Paul and the rest of the Ronulans do for these neo-Nazis.
And, btw, every FReeper who knows anything about them knows damn well that the Southern Poverty Law Center has a leftist agenda, and frequently and egregiously lumps center-right conservatives (or relatively mild fringers like Pat Buchanan) with genuine extremists like neo-Nazis. So the only "rational" motive to your describing us as "SPLC types" is to covertly suggest that maybe Will Williams -- Tenesssee organizer for Ron Paul meetups and internet activities -- isn't really all that bad after all. Which is of course nonsense. This Ron Paul organizer worked directly under William Peirce of the National Alliance, the guy that inspired Timothy McVeigh. Williams has a LONG history in the explicit and extreme racist and antisemitic far right. Some of the guys the SPLC flags as Nazis really are Nazis, and this Paul supporter is definitely one.
Uh, huh. That's why the nation we defended and helped to build -- South Korea -- is so much more of a threat and more of a trouble maker than the nation we wrecked and then left alone -- North Korea. That's why the nation we liberated and built -- West Germany -- was so much more of a threat than the nation we left to it's fate -- East Germany. That's why The Philippines, which we shepherded patiently and painfully to democracy, is today a dangerous (if decrepit) drug-running dictatorship, while the country we long ago attempted to rebuild, but then gave up on and left to it's own devices -- Cuba -- is today a vital democratic ally.
Yes, I see your point here.
Do you honestly expect me to read all of that on a Friday night? It’s Miller time my friend.
Wow what to say.
North Korea is yet another example of a UN lead failured. Today the United States is held in utter contempt by the S. Korean government.
The liberated Germans and French are a burden to their friends and a comfort to their enemies.
Concerning the Phillipines ¨which we shepherded patiently and painfully to democracy¨
“I want no prisoners. I wish you to kill and burn, the more you kill and burn the better it will please me. I want all persons killed who are capable of bearing arms in actual hostilities against the United States.” General Jacob H. Smith said.
Since it was a popular belief among the Americans serving in the Philippines that native males were born with bolos in their hands, Major Littleton “Tony” Waller asked “I would like to know the limit of age to respect, sir?.”
“Ten years,” Smith said.
“Persons of ten years and older are those designated as being capable of bearing arms?”
“Yes, that’s correct.” Smith confirmed his instructions a second time.
The way the United States won that long counterinsurgency war in The Philippines is strikingly similar to the manner in which the Iraq conflict is now being conducted. Indeed it was a conscious model for Petraeus and some of his advisers.
The Philippines war involved a GREAT DEAL of "nation building," which was complained about mightily at the time.
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