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To: SJackson
It's an outstanding recruiting opportunity. In addition to recruiting, it presents a unique opportunity for hate groups to attempt to normalize themself [sic] with in [sic] the American political community.

If any of those groups have had any recruits because of Paul I'd be shocked. Other than a few of you SPLC types, nobody gives a crap about these scumbags. It's people like you who are posting their message of hate. If I didn't know any better...

225 posted on 12/28/2007 11:54:09 AM PST by jmc813 (Don't screw this up, vote for Thompson.)
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To: jmc813

“”Other than a few of you SPLC types, nobody gives a crap about these scumbags””

But their money is green just like everyone else’s right?

No one gives a crap about them save for those who temporarily misplace their moral character while they have their hand out accepting cash from them.


228 posted on 12/28/2007 1:32:32 PM PST by Lovebloggers
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To: jmc813; SJackson
If any of those groups have had any recruits because of Paul I'd be shocked. Other than a few of you SPLC types, nobody gives a crap about these scumbags.

Apparently you didn't visit the Ron Paul "meetup" thread which your correspondent, SJackson, linked just up thread. The seemingly typically diverse group of Paul supporters there clearly DID "give a crap" about neo-Nazi Will Williams, and were PO'ed at meetup.com for booting him, demanding that he be reinstated, etc. Some expressed disagreement with his views, but all such was very mildly expressed, "don't see eye-to-eye" type stuff. Several users said they liked having him around, thought he supported his arguments well, etc.

It's people like you who are posting their message of hate. If I didn't know any better...

Are you really that clueless, or just pretending to be?

The very last thing these people want is for their hate speech -- what they really think, what they write on their own websites -- to be posted in other forums. They want to remain under the radar, to "blend in" and feel out potential recruits under cover of normalcy (or what passes for such on a Ronulan site). In this regard consider the advice to "White Nationalists" from "White Will" himself, specifically regarding participation in Ron Paul forums, which SJackson quoted in #221:

"Be disciplined. Blend in; find common ground with them and artfully radicalize those who are receptive and avoid those who are not. ... Most of you would be surprised at how many good people can be exposed to a, let's say, 'pro-majority' message among the remarkable groundswell of fed-up, mostly white Ron Paul supporters -- many, early on, from the 9/11 truth movement. They are finding their backbones as they are exposed to more and more hidden truths, especially about the hidden hand of Jewry behind every foul venture."

Also notice how the Ron Paul campaign, and Ron Paul forums, and ordinary Ron Paul supporters, and Ron Paul himself, all facilitate "White Will"'s "blend in" strategy by NOT exposing his like and NOT discussing their ideology. For instance go back to that Ron Paul "meetup" thread again. Several users there ask who is Will Williams and why was he banned. Although certainly many users there could have answered these queries, NO ONE DID. Even the the only user there NOT demanding Will's reinstatement (who seemed like a more official campaign work of some type) just said that meetup had banned him, nothing the campaign can do, let's just get past it and focus on the campaign, etc, and would say nothing about the reason for the banning. (Probably, considering the subject, an antisemitic outburst.)

In this same vein Ron Paul himself will only issue proforma disavowals when pressed: usually saying only that he doesn't "endorse" the neo-Nazis (often, btw, adding that he doesn't endorse ANY donors or supporters, i.e. normalizing neo-Nazis by comparison) but never himself actually using descriptive terms like "neo-Nazi," or otherwise describing or acknowledging their particular ideology.

Consider that THIS IS EXACTLY THE SAME WAY THE MAIN STREAM MEDIA NORMALIZES AND MAINSTREAMS THE FAR LEFT. The New York Times, for example, is never going to tell you about about what the folks with A.N.S.W.E.R. and Code Pink really think, or in any fashion describe or acknowledge their Stalinist and Maoist ideologies; and certainly the left-extremists don't want them to do so. It is precisely by ignoring and suppressing such matters, and instead treating them as normal anti-war activists, that the New York Times and other MSM outlets empower them.

And guess what? If unavoidably pressed on this, the MSM enablers are going to give exactly the same kind of response you just did! "Oh, these folks are a fringe group, sure, but they don't represent the bulk of the anti-war movement. There's no reason to expect other anti-war activists to denounce them or marginalize them or disassociate with them," blah, blah, blah.

Believe it or not most extremists, both left and right, understand their marginalized status, and understand the limitations this status places on them. As such they are willing to patiently pursue fitful and incremental demarginalization and legitimization. They are ever and always searching for social venues and institutions which will -- so long as they don't behave too, too outrageously, to a point impossible to pretend to ignore -- refuse to marginalize them, which will treat them as normal. That's what the MSM does for Code Pink, and that's what you and Ron Paul and the rest of the Ronulans do for these neo-Nazis.

And, btw, every FReeper who knows anything about them knows damn well that the Southern Poverty Law Center has a leftist agenda, and frequently and egregiously lumps center-right conservatives (or relatively mild fringers like Pat Buchanan) with genuine extremists like neo-Nazis. So the only "rational" motive to your describing us as "SPLC types" is to covertly suggest that maybe Will Williams -- Tenesssee organizer for Ron Paul meetups and internet activities -- isn't really all that bad after all. Which is of course nonsense. This Ron Paul organizer worked directly under William Peirce of the National Alliance, the guy that inspired Timothy McVeigh. Williams has a LONG history in the explicit and extreme racist and antisemitic far right. Some of the guys the SPLC flags as Nazis really are Nazis, and this Paul supporter is definitely one.

236 posted on 12/28/2007 3:10:32 PM PST by Stultis (I don't worry about the war turning into "Vietnam" in Iraq; I worry about it doing so in Congress.)
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