Posted on 12/23/2007 6:44:53 PM PST by AmericanMade1776
White House hopeful Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) said Sunday that the U.S. is moving toward fascism, stating that corporations are increasingly “running the show” and citizens are being deprived of their liberties.
Paul clarified that he did not refer to the type of fascism that Adolf Hitler practiced in Germany. “We’re not moving toward Hitler-type fascism, but we’re moving toward a softer fascism,” Paul said on NBC’s Meet the Press. “Loss of civil liberties, corporations running the show, big government in bed with big business.”
The lawmaker said the U.S. is moving toward “corporatism.” He also lashed out at a system in which those are criticized as unpatriotic who do not support the war in Iraq or the Patriot Act.
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"The signal-to-noise ratio on this thread is quite low, but you are one of the few voices of reason.
Those screaming various insults are not actually debating the points made, with a few exceptions. This inability to rationally address points reflects poorly on the quality of people contributing to this forum, but it probably provides some insight into the mindset of the general GOP membership as well.
Of course the classic is simply attacking posters for saying anything remotely in agreement with Paul’s statement, without addressing the statement as well."
I haven't finished reading the rest of the thread, but I had to stop here to say thank you for your posts! I was beginning to wonder if I was on FR or a government cheerleading site. I honestly am amazed at the reaction here, when conservatives typically (unlike lefties) have some skepticism of government, and understand how important it is to be vigilant in regard to our freedom and individual rights. To me this thread is sad, very very sad.
You are way too perceptive ...
Let me see, the MSM is touting as "republicans" Trudy Juliani, Mitt Romney, 1st ammendment McCain, Huckleberry Hound. No thanks, I'll sit it out and let this ignorant electorate get the government it deserves! I'm tired of it.
“Ron Paul foes not belong in the Republican Party.”
Which Republican Party is that? There seem to be a few these days. Politics is not one dimensional anymore...ie left and right
That site makes timecube.com look downright intellectual.
“We now, the federal government, takes over and rules—overrules state laws where state laws permit medicinal marijuana for people dying of cancer. The federal government goes in and arrests these people, put them in prison with mandatory, sometimes life sentences. This war on drugs is totally out of control.”
Do you agree or not agree with this statement?
We'd rather stick around and try and get rid of you big-government Bush types from the party. Besides, it's fun watching you people freak out.
Well I'm convinced since a wackjob hollywood actor said that in a MOVIE.
Again, I'm not a RP fan, but OPEN YOUR MIND.
you don’t think big business has big government in it’s pocket? The way i see it, they work hand in hand with each other. Look at immigration. Do you honestly think that big corporations want the border closed? what about all those cheap janitors, vegetable pickers for big agribusiness and construction workers and nannies for the families of executives?
Now Paul saounds weird sometimes, but on that point, he is right. Special interests, including big business, own Washington. Little people like us don’t count.
I agree that we're going in that direction. That doesn't seem to be a problem for some here, apparently. Perhaps it's the word 'fascism' that throws people off here. If he would've said socialism, then I don't see how anyone could disagree with that.
I think the problem is, many people on both sides, conservatives and liberals, are still stuck in the idea that it's all about Democrat vs Republican, or left vs right... when the reality is, the new political paradigm is more like up vs down. What I have been saying for years is that there are globalists who are in both major parties, and these people are taking us towards something that will be bad for everyone.
I think people here are getting all bent out of shape, but we're really arguing about semantics. Whether it's socialism, fascism, or any type of unfree system... we can divide it into 2 groups - collectivists and people who believe in individual rights. We are heading in the wrong direction, away from individual rights. That's the point. Whether it's fascism or socialism-corporatism, or whatever you want to call it, we should be vigilant.
Remember the quote when someone asked what type of government we have... and the answer was, "A republic, if you can keep it." We're getting to the point where we're not keeping it. Some here may disagree, but to bash someone so vehemently who cares about protecting our freedom, and constitution and rights is downright surreal to me, and it's ugly and sad.
sorry, Ron may be anti war but on every other issue he is far to the right of the Greens. He wants to virtually eliminate 80-90% of the Federal Government
I would argue that the Federal reserve is unconstitutional. No where in the constitution does it give private banks the right to control monetary policy. Thomas Jefferson himself warned that giving bankers that kind of power would be a recipe for disaster
Their policy of hyperinflation of currency has virtually ruined the dollar. Before 1913 and the Federal Reserve Act, the currency was stable and prone to little inflation. Since then there has been constant inflation
“It is not just a suspicion, it is fact, George Soros has contributed to Ron Paul”
Source, please, or is this just MORE hot air???
Yep. The man is just insane. = )
I think he meant FR...
The original LP - sure.
America as a "Corporate-fascist warfare-welfare state": quite common back then. Don't know about the LP today.
The fascist part goes back to FDR days. Mussolini was fulsome in his praise for FDR's economic interventions.
People tend to forget that the most prominent Fascist governments were Socialist
Nazis were more properly the National SOCIALIST German Workers Party.
The USSR was the Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republics.
Even Mussolini was basically a socialist.
Once the government has control of the population by socialist policies (such as taking fully 50% of workers income) The country is fertile ground for fascism.
Yes, the country that takes 50% of workers income is the U.S.
ron Paul is right about the country moving toward fascism, but he’s got the wrong perpetrators. It’s the leftist elite and and top industry leaders who are forming the coalition to control the economy and the tax payers, not the right wing. The right wingers don’t have what it takes to control much of anything.
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