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Deaf demand right to designer deaf children
The Sunday Times (UK) ^ | December 23, 2007 | Sarah-Kate Templeton

Posted on 12/23/2007 1:20:17 PM PST by FreedomCalls

DEAF parents should be allowed to screen their embryos so they can pick a deaf child over one that has all its senses intact, according to the chief executive of the Royal National Institute for Deaf and Hard of Hearing People (RNID).

Jackie Ballard, a former Liberal Democrat MP, says that although the vast majority of deaf parents would want a child who has normal hearing, a small minority of couples would prefer to create a child who is effectively disabled, to fit in better with the family lifestyle.

Ballard’s stance is likely to be welcomed by other deaf organisations, including the British Deaf Association (BDA), which is campaigning to amend government legislation to allow the creation of babies with disabilities.

A clause in the Human Tissue and Embryos Bill, which is passing through the House of Lords, would make it illegal for parents undergoing embryo screening to choose an embryo with an abnormality if healthy embryos exist.

In America a deaf couple deliberately created a baby with hearing difficulties by choosing a sperm donor with generations of deafness in his family.

This would be impossible under the bill in its present form in the UK. Disability charities say this makes the proposed legislation discriminatory, because it gives parents the right to create “designer babies” free from genetic conditions while banning couples from deliberately creating a baby with a disability.

The prospect of selecting “deaf embryos” is likely to be seized on by campaigners against genetic screening who will argue that this is an inevitable outcome of allowing “designer babies”.

Doctors are opposed to creating deaf babies. Professor Gedis Grudzinskas, medical director of the Bridge Centre, a clinic in London that screens embyros, said: “This would be an abuse of medical technology. Deafness is not the normal state, it is a disability. To deliberately create a deaf embryo would be contrary to the ethos of our society.”

Ballard, who previously ran into controversy as director-general of the Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (RSPCA) where she pushed through extensive job cuts, said in an interview with The Sunday Times: “Most parents would choose to have a hearing embryo, but for those few parents who do not, we think they should be allowed to exercise that choice and we would support them in that decision.

“There are a number of deaf forums where there are discussions about this. There are a small minority of activists who say that there is a cultural identity in being born deaf and that we should not destroy that cultural identity by preventing children from being born deaf.”

Ballard added: “We would like to retain, as far as possible, parental choice, but it has to be in conjunction with a clinician so that people know exactly what they are choosing.”

Next month a coalition of disability organisations will launch a campaign to amend the bill to make it possible for parents to choose the embryos that carry a genetic abnormality.

Francis Murphy, chairman of the BDA, said: “If choice of embryos for implantation is to be given to citizens in general, and if hearing and other people are allowed to choose embryos that will be ‘like them’, sharing the same characteristics, language and culture, then we believe that deaf people should have the same right.”

Murphy added that the BDA believes it is very unlikely that it would become common for deaf parents to deliberately create deaf children.

To create a “designer baby” using preimplantation genetic diagnosis, couples need to go through in vitro fertilisation (IVF) even if they could conceive naturally. The embryos created are then genetically screened and normally only the healthy ones are implanted in the mother’s womb.

This weekend the RNID played down Ballard’s comments by pointing out that the charity does not advocate deliberately creating deaf babies.

A spokesman said: “While the RNID believes in the individual’s right to choose, we would not actively encourage the selection of deaf embryos over hearing ones for implantation when both are available.”


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: culture; deaf; designerbabies; disability; dna; minorityrights; sheeruttermadness; stopthemadness
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41 posted on 12/23/2007 2:26:31 PM PST by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: CindyDawg

Totally agreed


42 posted on 12/23/2007 2:33:41 PM PST by mikrofon (Merry Christmas)
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To: FreedomCalls
WTF is next?

I await your return, King of Kings.....

FMCDH(BITS)

43 posted on 12/23/2007 2:35:10 PM PST by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: FreedomCalls
This is sick and absurd. I wonder how many times they’ll have to abort before they conceive a child who is deaf?
44 posted on 12/23/2007 2:45:19 PM PST by Jaysun (It's outlandishly inappropriate to suggest that I'm wrong.)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance
Sooner or later such a designer child will sue their parents regarding his/her civil rights and the Liberals have a moral dilemma:

You know, there was a case where a child (through a guardian ad litem) successfully sued a doctor for "wrongful birth".

The doctor had either performed a faulty vasectomy on the father after the parents learned that all of their children would be born deaf, or had informed the parents that their future children would not be deaf. I can't remember which.

Anyway, the appellate judge reasoned that the child had a right to be born whole that had been violated by the doctor's negligent conduct.

In this case, if the same common law reasoning holds in English courts, that same right would have been violated intentionally by the child's parents. Even if this statute does not make it a crime to intentionally have a disabled child, it doesn't necessarily protect the parents from liability towards their children for violating their rights.

After all, the RNID wants to protect the parents' "right to choose", but what of the child's?
45 posted on 12/23/2007 2:54:44 PM PST by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country.)
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To: FreedomCalls
Why do it? It's the same reason a dog licks his nutz...because he CAN.

In all genetic engineering misadventures like this, just because you CAN, doesn't mean you SHOULD.

46 posted on 12/23/2007 2:55:30 PM PST by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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To: FreedomCalls
My grandfather was a hearing child born of two deaf parents. His first language was sign language. When he was old enough for school he could not speak, so he went to live with his Aunt and Uncle and family for a year to learn to speak. He then started school one year late, but quickly caught up and graduated a year early because sign language involves a lot of spelling and he was quickly able to learn to read.

In later years he never forgot how to sign. As a child I was traveling with him and we stopped ina restaurant. While we were there a bus load of deaf arrived to eat. My grandfather had the best time chatting with them.

The idea that a hearing child won't fit into a deaf family is just unfathomable.

47 posted on 12/23/2007 3:00:11 PM PST by w1andsodidwe (Jimmy Carter allowed radical Islam to get a foothold in Iran.)
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To: expatpat
I have no objection, so long as the parents accept no taxpayer $ or taxpayer-funded support for the child.

As bad as ill-conceived income redistribution may be (read: theft), you don't see an even bigger moral issue here? Not even just a little bit?

48 posted on 12/23/2007 3:00:27 PM PST by Zero Sum (Liberalism: The damage ends up being a thousand times the benefit! (apologies to Rabbi Benny Lau))
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To: FreedomCalls
Madness.

I wish I had your restraint.
When I read stuff like this, I'm add this keyword to the thread:

KEYWORD: SHEERUTTERMADNESS
49 posted on 12/23/2007 3:04:22 PM PST by VOA
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To: The Pack Knight
I remember now. The case is Turpin v. Sortini, 643 P.2d 954 (Cal. App. 1982).
50 posted on 12/23/2007 3:06:11 PM PST by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country.)
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To: FreedomCalls
I’ve always wanted my children to have more and be more than myself. The selfishness, arrogance, and sheer cruelty of forcing your children into this life with a functional disability is truly evil and foreign to me.
51 posted on 12/23/2007 3:08:15 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: Gay State Conservative

“I remember reading about a poll that said that a substantial percentage of deaf people wouldn’t,if given the chance,choose to have a treatment or device that would allow them to hear.The explanation was,IIRC,that these people are too “proud” of their “deaf culture” to leave it.”

I’ve heard the same thing and it just boggles the mind. I remember seeing a report on cochlear implants and how it was being met with great disapproval by some in the deaf community that didn’t consider deafness as an abnormality that needed to be “fixed”.


52 posted on 12/23/2007 3:16:32 PM PST by Mila
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To: Neu Pragmatist
Is this a joke ?

They are completely serious. In 2107 when a history book covering the decline and fall of Western Civilization is written (in Arabic?), this will probably be included.

53 posted on 12/23/2007 3:17:24 PM PST by FreedomCalls (Texas: "We close at five.")
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To: szweig
This is narcissism taken to the max.

That's it exactly - but it's really just the old "what was good enough for me is good enough for you" parental mentality applied to the deaf.

I couldn't imagine a situation where I wouldn't want my children to have better opportunities and a better standard of living/quality of life than I had.

I also couldn't imagine a situation where, upon learning that my parents had deliberately engineered me to have limitations along the lines of being deaf, I wouldn't despise them with all my soul.
54 posted on 12/23/2007 3:19:04 PM PST by tanknetter
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To: Gay State Conservative

“I remember reading about a poll that said that a substantial percentage of deaf people wouldn’t,if given the chance,choose to have a treatment or device that would allow them to hear.The explanation was,IIRC,that these people are too “proud” of their “deaf culture” to leave it.”

I’ve heard the same thing and it just boggles the mind. I remember seeing a report on cochlear implants and how it was being met with great disapproval by some in the deaf community that didn’t consider deafness as an abnormality that needed to be “fixed”.


55 posted on 12/23/2007 3:21:44 PM PST by Mila
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To: FreedomCalls

Madness doesn’t begin to describe it. They should be declared insane and forbidden to bear children!


56 posted on 12/23/2007 3:32:37 PM PST by proudofthesouth (Liberalism IS a mental illness.)
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To: FreedomCalls

Evolutionary U-turn alert.


57 posted on 12/23/2007 3:43:25 PM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: kittymyrib
How utterly selfish these people are! Shame on them, wishing a disability on a child.

Sadly, these activists are very quick to point out that they consider hearing a 'disability'; that they have a richer life, with more communicative nuance than the rest of us.

At least the blind don't harbor such delusions...yet.

58 posted on 12/23/2007 3:51:01 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (If God didn't want a Liberal/RINO hanging from every tree, He wouldn't have created so much rope!)
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To: fweingart

Too bad it isn’t just, “Jackie Ballard, a former Liberal Democrat...”.

Guess she hasn’t been mugged often enough yet.


59 posted on 12/23/2007 4:25:05 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (If God didn't want a Liberal/RINO hanging from every tree, He wouldn't have created so much rope!)
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To: FreedomCalls
What?

I can't hear you.

What? Say again?

What?

60 posted on 12/23/2007 4:26:32 PM PST by humblegunner (My KungFu is ten times power.©)
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