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Should Alimony Die a Quick Death?
Pajama Media ^ | December 19, 2007 | Helen Smith

Posted on 12/19/2007 9:56:44 AM PST by PurpleMan

"...in today’s world, in which women have fought for the right to equality, alimony seems more like a kid getting an allowance from daddy and I believe it should be abolished altogether except for extremely dire circumstances where a spouse is older, cannot work at all, and for only a short term period. No man or woman should be held to being a slave to an ex-spouse after a marriage ends. That said, if we are going to have alimony laws, I believe that men and women should be held to an equal standard under the law."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Miscellaneous; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: alimony; divorce; ex; marines; marriage
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To: najida

I would be absolutely bereft without the gray - she’s just a cheerful ray of sunshine and makes me laugh all the time.


141 posted on 12/19/2007 1:49:15 PM PST by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: PurpleMan

The feminists are getting what they deserve.


142 posted on 12/19/2007 1:50:43 PM PST by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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To: buccaneer81

I never badmouthed either - I just told the truth in a very unemotional way when I was asked why he didn’t love her or treat her like her friends’ fathers. She understood that I was just giving her coping tools.


143 posted on 12/19/2007 1:50:47 PM PST by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: sickoflibs
“ is the woman supposed to start her career at 40 at minimum wage with no work skills???”

Become a CEO. It worked for Carly Fiorina. She had no clue about running Hewlett-Packard, got fired, and still walked away with $18 million.

144 posted on 12/19/2007 1:51:50 PM PST by BlazingArizona
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To: MediaMole
A friend had to pay spousal support to her useless, jobless, fat, violent ex-husband. The court ruled that since she had worked two jobs to support him while they were married, she should continue to work two jobs to support him once they were divorced.

Spousal support is all about who is weaker.

Much like liberalism.

145 posted on 12/19/2007 1:55:00 PM PST by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: cinives

My conure is my chatty sweetie—
“I love you”
“Uh oh!”
“Good Morning.”
“WHAT!”
“Hi! Hello!”
“Here Kitty Kitty.”
“Hi sweetie!”
“Good BOY!”

Diva fakes dying while I have dance class upstairs....screaming bloody murder so you’d think you’d find her dead on the floor with her feet up.

Then you hear her go “Mumble mumble mumble....ha ha ha ha ha!”

Lulu just yells a deranged “HellOOOOOOO Lulu”


146 posted on 12/19/2007 1:55:46 PM PST by najida (As God is my witness! The cockatoos ate my breakfast..)
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To: mountainbunny

bunny?

ROFLOL!


147 posted on 12/19/2007 1:56:48 PM PST by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: PurpleMan
No, alimony should stick around. As men so often like to gleefully tell women, life isn't fair. You've got that right. So deal with it.
148 posted on 12/19/2007 2:00:32 PM PST by Glenmerle
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To: grjr21; mountainbunny
Thanks for the fix, because 99.9% of the time it's exactly that way and not the other.
149 posted on 12/19/2007 2:00:58 PM PST by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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To: kjhm
Although child support was presented as a noncontroversial alternative to taxation for raising public revenue, no public discussion has ever been held of such basic questions as what precisely child support is for, who can be forced to pay it, under what circumstances an order can be entered against a citizen, how much a citizen can be required to pay, who decides how much must be paid, who can receive the money, what the money can be used for, what accountability should be required of recipients, or what methods are legal and proper to collect it.

Perhaps the most fundamental disconnect between public perceptions and present reality is that whereas child support is invariably presented as a method for requiring men to take responsibility for offspring they have sired and then abandoned, it now functions primarily as a means by which “a father is forced to finance the filching of his own children” (Abraham 1999, 151).

Interesting.

150 posted on 12/19/2007 2:03:06 PM PST by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: HIDEK6
is the woman supposed to start her career at 40 at minimum wage with no work skills???

Having no skills doesn't seem to be a problem with most women in the workforce.

Women in the workplace with no skills or experience get job offers and promotions more often than men with college degrees and years of experience. That's because most of the management (and almost ALL of the Human Resources managers) are women.

From my experience of course.

151 posted on 12/19/2007 2:09:20 PM PST by IDontLikeToPayTaxes
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To: Ouderkirk

The Bob I knew, hung himself.

*sigh*


152 posted on 12/19/2007 2:11:40 PM PST by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: dyed_in_the_wool
Another rule for Alimony is, the less money a wife contributes to the family, the more she gets to collect gratis.
153 posted on 12/19/2007 2:20:14 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (Don't trust anyone who can’t take a joke. [Congressman BillyBob])
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To: cinives
But seriously - you’re talking to someone who gets $100 a month for child support, and know that I spend over $1800 a month on expenses for the kid. I’ve never complained, even when he bought a diesel F350 dually that had to easily cost $45K, knowing he could only afford it because he wasn’t paying it to the kid.

I hear you. There are bad eggs of both genders in these messes.

154 posted on 12/19/2007 2:20:17 PM PST by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: najida

Brie screams “CHICKEN” while hanging upside down with one foot from her violently swinging swing, then yells “hold on” and cackles “hahaha”. When I have her in my office she’ll often say “watcha doing ?” and when I say “working”, she’ll say “Ooooohhhh! Working ! Yum, cracker!” meaning OK, now feed me with all those bucks you’re making. She’ll fly to the back of my chair and scream “rude brat bird” in my ear, then cackle and take off back to her perch. If she thinks I’m sad she’ll say “ahhh, it’s OK, it’s OK, you’ll be fine” and flies over for a cuddle.

Nigel, OTOH, is not as good with life. He doesn’t like to leave his cage and when he does, he’s quite insecure. I coaxed him off his cage one day while standing on a chair. The chair lurched and he fell off my arm, landing on the floor with a thump (did I say he doesn’t know how to flap his wings well? He was kept in a very small cage while young - some people are just too stupid to own animals.) He shook himself, looked all around, and said “Huh ! Wow!”. Brie said to him, “Nigel, step up you bad bird”. Nigel will also say “Mom, no cracker” when he’s out of food, and will yell “Aaakkkkk - Get the door” when the doorbell rings. And lots more, of course.


155 posted on 12/19/2007 2:25:04 PM PST by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: PurpleMan

FWIW. I am an attorney with a litigation practice that includes matrimonial law. I can attest to the fact that the system such as it is in New Jersey Courts is noticeably unfair. Besides a general bias in favor of women (and I represent both sides), there are simply abuses of state power that sometimes absolutely shock me to the bone.

Now, for example, there is a noble purpose for having protection from domestic violence. But it is used many times as a sword rather than a shield by women who know, as in the story of Bob from Australia on this thread, that filing a Domestic Violence complaint is the best way to gain an iron grip on control of all the issues: control of the house, control of the kids, control of assets, finances, income. At the same time, the strategic DV puts the man into a total tailspin cut off from everything and presumed guilty no matter what the Constitution says.

In the power grab area, the courts have g-d like powers over both litigants. At a whim, they can impose ruinous financial obligations, cut you off from your precious children and cause you to have to spend your life savings on lawyers. I say “at a whim” because the statutes give extraordinary discretionary powers to the judges; there are rarely clearly defined parameters and certainly no limits on their power. For example, where it concerns children, the only guideline is the infamous phrase “the best interests of the children”. Sounds nice, but it justifies anything. And I mean anything.

Case in point: you didn’t know your children are still children until they’re 21, 22, 23 or 29 years old didja? Well, our brilliant jurists have determined that you have an absolute obligation to support your children right on through college, grad school whatever. Now, you may be a parent who is of the opinion that your kid should work their own way through college, which is something I believe. Not to be cheap or to punish, but because that’s the way I did it and I think it made me a much better person earning my own way and not glomming off my parents until I was in my late 20’s.

In the case of college, the court can also impose the cost on you even when your ex has made every effort that your kids should only apply to the most expensive colleges. Remember also, that, while you are paying their tuition, the child support checks are still going to mom.

Yes, I am a divorced person. But it is really as an attorney against my own best interests that I say the system is absolutely corrupt and unjust, destroys families and especially fathers and makes people spend outrageous fortunes on attorneys.

Whew! I feel better now.


156 posted on 12/19/2007 2:25:26 PM PST by JewishRighter (Anyone But Cankle (ABC))
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To: Ouderkirk

Powerful story and one of a type I am only too familiar with.


157 posted on 12/19/2007 2:26:26 PM PST by JewishRighter (Anyone But Cankle (ABC))
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To: buccaneer81

No one emerges unscathed. I’ve seen good divorces between spouses, but in all cases the kids lose IMO. And when one spouse is a problem, as in many cases, it just is awful.


158 posted on 12/19/2007 2:27:06 PM PST by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: cinives
You are of course substantially correct, but I don’t believe that kids feel any less abandoned if the father’s death was out of his control.

Yes we do.

Kid's who have a good relationship with their Dads, and then lose them suddenly, turn to their Father though out their lives... "What would Dad want me to do?".

That doesn't happen with non-Dads. Or Dads that didn't get the chance.

159 posted on 12/19/2007 2:31:30 PM PST by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: PurpleMan
Should Alimony Die a Quick Death?

Depends on the situation. Examples:

If the woman, by agreement between the two, took a low end job instead of going to college so HE could finish college/start a business/whatever, then he dumps her once he gets what he wanted, he should have to pay alimony until she gets her degree.

If the man, by agreement between the two of them, goes to college instead of getting a job and she dumps him before he finishes school, then she should pay him alimony until he gets his degree.

160 posted on 12/19/2007 2:36:18 PM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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