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Should Alimony Die a Quick Death?
Pajama Media ^ | December 19, 2007 | Helen Smith

Posted on 12/19/2007 9:56:44 AM PST by PurpleMan

"...in today’s world, in which women have fought for the right to equality, alimony seems more like a kid getting an allowance from daddy and I believe it should be abolished altogether except for extremely dire circumstances where a spouse is older, cannot work at all, and for only a short term period. No man or woman should be held to being a slave to an ex-spouse after a marriage ends. That said, if we are going to have alimony laws, I believe that men and women should be held to an equal standard under the law."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Miscellaneous; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: alimony; divorce; ex; marines; marriage
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To: cinives
“if you don’t behave you might be forced by the courts to go live with your father”

Diabolically clever. You evoke the fear of the father's way of life, along with the ham-handed stupidity of the courts, all in one little phrase.

101 posted on 12/19/2007 1:07:43 PM PST by SamuraiScot
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To: najida

Rachel Ray is getting divorced? Didn’t she just get married?


102 posted on 12/19/2007 1:09:17 PM PST by Fawn (Stop the Insanity!)
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To: cinives

I remember a woman with 10 kids saying “My husband wouldn’t cheat on me because I’ll divorce him and give him custody of the kids.”


103 posted on 12/19/2007 1:09:47 PM PST by najida (As God is my witness! The cockatoos ate my breakfast..)
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To: Fawn

Yep,
and then he was super openly screwing around on her in a pervy way (at least that’s what the Enquirer said ;) )


104 posted on 12/19/2007 1:10:56 PM PST by najida (As God is my witness! The cockatoos ate my breakfast..)
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To: najida

Why would you need one with cockatoos around (love the names) ! They’re just as demanding :)

I almost adopted a Moluccan, Lucky, but he was way too needy and needed to be the only bird in a house. I already had 4, so I adopted a blue & gold instead. My gray ‘Brie’ and my little parrotlet ‘Cricket’ will fly over if there’s anything on my plate that looks interesting. The macaw doesn’t fly and nor does the Amazon.


105 posted on 12/19/2007 1:10:59 PM PST by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: ken5050
Most studies of divorce, where there are young children who remain with the mother, have shown that the male (wage-earner's) lifestyle INCREASES after the divorce, whereas the wife and kids decrease greatly...

That is a load of BS. If the man is paying child support and earning less than $100k per year, he is screwed. Take my word for it. $55k income, I pay $978 a month, after taxes for one child. The ex makes $45k at her job.

Now, tell me who has the better standard of living?

106 posted on 12/19/2007 1:12:06 PM PST by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: najida

Why does she have to pay him anyhting? Were they married a year? I can’t see any judge not granting her an annullment and paying nothing to him! It was obviously a sham.


107 posted on 12/19/2007 1:12:17 PM PST by Fawn (Stop the Insanity!)
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To: najida; Teacher317

Good answer.

Mine would have been: the alternate one


108 posted on 12/19/2007 1:12:38 PM PST by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: najida

See post # 106.


109 posted on 12/19/2007 1:12:48 PM PST by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: LetsRok

Therein lies the rub.

Generally a short marriage gets no alimony. In fact the most is rehabilitative alimony after at least five years.

(get appartment, deposists etc.)

Why we talk about 20+ year marriages don’t forget that pensions get divided, assets get divided too. Often by that time the careers are on the way to over. There are no kids to raise.

I think was should happen without any exception is that alimony should NOT be allowed to be permanent. It should have a max time even if it is 20 years. There should also be absolute cut offs when the relationships move on. IOW if the exwife has a boyfriend who cohabits then the alimony ends. (with or without marriage)


110 posted on 12/19/2007 1:13:10 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: buccaneer81

Have you considered taking the kids? IF not, is it worth that $978 for someone else to take that job for you?


111 posted on 12/19/2007 1:13:52 PM PST by Fawn (Stop the Insanity!)
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To: heartwood

I think what bon mots was getting at is if you turn on the TV and look at these ‘teens out of control’ or you look at gang members and the like, you tend to see children without positive male figures immediately and consistently involved in their lives, which has contributed to their criminality and pathology.

It’s not that a kid in a good home can’t go bad but that it’s MORE likely that a GOOD mom can turn out a bad son (men simply can control and guide young men better, provided they themselves are not broken human beings) more easily than a GOOD dad would.

It’s not a statement of superiority, only that men in the family serve a specific function, especially with the dangers and temptations and pathologies present in our culture.

In the 1940s, things were better overall and male figures may not have been the ‘fathers’ but they ruled/watched over the neighborhoods where the fatherless kids lived.


112 posted on 12/19/2007 1:15:34 PM PST by Skywalk (Transdimensional Jihad!)
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To: cinives

Lulu is called crazy because she’s a self-plucker/mutilator (talk about NEEDY). Diva, OTOH, often snubs me to sit outside and play with the other birds. Those two are polar opposites.

However, if I anything needs antiquing or distressing, I let them sit on it.

I love Parrotlets! All the attitude of a big bird in a little package. My conure is like that.


113 posted on 12/19/2007 1:16:09 PM PST by najida (As God is my witness! The cockatoos ate my breakfast..)
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To: HIDEK6

Meow.


114 posted on 12/19/2007 1:16:15 PM PST by Scarpetta (e pluribus victim)
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To: Fawn
Have you considered taking the kids?

I've been fighting for custody since November, 2001. To the tune of about $35,000 so far.

115 posted on 12/19/2007 1:17:15 PM PST by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: SamuraiScot

Thanks :) She understood that since I was willing to fight for what even she, at age 8, believed to be her best interest, she complied willingly with the reasonable discipline at home.

Oddly, it wasn’t until this year that I’ve ever gotten any lip from her (the god-you-are-so-stupid look we all occasionally get from teenagers). I welcome it, in small measure, as a healthy way to assert independence.


116 posted on 12/19/2007 1:20:05 PM PST by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: najida

LOL and that should put fear into almost any man.


117 posted on 12/19/2007 1:20:53 PM PST by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: buccaneer81

How much money would you think would be fair to pay for your childs food, clothing, shelter (mortgage and utilities) etc.

Not a slam, just a mathematical question. What would be the minimum to keep him alive and what would be the max you’d be willing to pay for slightly better quality of life for your child?


118 posted on 12/19/2007 1:23:10 PM PST by najida (As God is my witness! The cockatoos ate my breakfast..)
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To: buccaneer81; ken5050

I’ll never understand why non-custodial parents think child support goes only to the benefit of the custodial parent and does not at all benefit the child.


119 posted on 12/19/2007 1:23:29 PM PST by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: Fawn

I don’t know all the specifics. I gather they’ve been married just long enough for trouble in the courts.


120 posted on 12/19/2007 1:24:28 PM PST by najida (As God is my witness! The cockatoos ate my breakfast..)
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